Gay marriage

[Larcetin]

Gay marriage - Discuss it here 
I think everyone should be allowed to marry anyone (if it's a real person).

[Nowhere Man]

ditto

[piutebob]

I have nothing against gay people themselves. But Gay marriage just isn't natural. I mean, how often do you see two stallions together in that way? Or two female chickens? Have you noticed that it's only humans (other then snails, but they don't count. They can't help it) are ever homosexual? That's my 1 cent worth. I could say more, but to avoid offending those people on this site who are, indeed, homosexual, I won't.

[Larcetin]

Marriage itself isn't natural.
And look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

[piutebob]

Okay, so two same sex animals are not allowed to be seen with each other, or they're considered homosexual? So I'm homosexual if I'm seen with other males (we don't sniff, just to be sure you know that! )

This is where I stand. I can do no other.

[Nowhere Man]

did you read the article? if not, do. they're clearly not just "together".

on a sidenote: since when is animal behaviour supposed to dictate what's acceptable for human beings? I just saw my dog eating her own poo. I'm gonna go throw up now and be right back. >.<

[whiteking]

Gay marriage is not natural. Acording to who???
Can you please tell me what do you think about war, or tell me about sexual abuse or racial discrimination...
Men, there are a lot of things that are horrible and people seems to accept as normal for an unknown reason, but when they are questioned about gay marriage (and gay rights in general) the most common response is "that's not natural"... Why???
Only straight people has the right to marry the people whom they love?
Am I wrong if I want to marry and spent the rest of my life with the man that I love just because some people think that it's not natural?
Sorry but the answer "it's not natural" is just stupid, give me a real answer of why gay marriage is wrong.
It's just about love.
Everyone has the right to be happy.

Okay, so two same sex animals are not allowed to be seen with each other, or they're considered homosexual? So I'm homosexual if I'm seen with other males (we don't sniff, just to be sure you know that! )

This is where I stand. I can do no other.

Based on you comment I assume that you didn't read the whole article that Larcetin posted before, and if you read it probably you didn't understand it...

[nodoubt_jr]

Im for it, why not if its two consenting adults.

But Gay marriage just isn't natural. I mean, how often do you see two stallions together in that way? Or two female chickens? Have you noticed that it's only humans (other then snails, but they don't count. They can't help it) are ever homosexual?

No, thats wrong like someone pointed above there is homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Theres been many studies of this. You should really educate yourself.

Marriage itself isn't natural.

True. Many animals go from mate to mate or have multiple mates at the same time.

I dont see how gay marriage is unnatural, marriage is just a union both social and legal between two people. How do gay couples not fit into this? The only thing that supposedly says its wrong is some religous texts that shouldnt even be considered when talking about changing laws, especially in a country were we are suppose to have separation of church and state.

[piutebob]

How do gay couples not fit into this? The only thing that supposedly says its wrong is some religous texts that shouldnt even be considered when talking about changing laws, especially in a country were we are suppose to have separation of church and state.

Well, if we are seperating church and state, why even have marriage? Marriage is a church institution, NOT a state institution. So why is the state governing it?
I respect your opinions, but that's where I stand.

[Nowhere Man]

actually, that does make sense. the government really has nothing to do with our personal decisions. there should only be civil union for all. let each religion decide on their own who they'll allow to get married.

[nodoubt_jr]

Well, if we are seperating church and state, why even have marriage? Marriage is a church institution, NOT a state institution. So why is the state governing it?
I respect your opinions, but that's where I stand.

Because marriage has evolved from a religious thing to a social norm. Many people get married not even considering god or the church or whatever. Atheists get married. So if some people can get married, why cant others?

In the past interracial couples couldn't get married because some saw it as unnatural and going against god or whatever. Now most people think it's crazy that they weren't allowed to marry in the past. I'm sure in the future our kids will look back and think how backwards we were at this time to deny people rights.

Just to clear up my stand, I think the government should allow gay people to marry. To have the same rights other married couples have. I'm not for forcing churches or other religious institutions to be forced to marry them. They have their believes and traditions and I respect that, I completely disagree with them though.

[Nowhere Man]

true true. marriage has taken another meaning, not just the religious one. but, in the end, it's all a matter of semantics. the main point is that religion and state should be completly separate and the state is constitutionaly obliged to give all citizens the same rights.

[piutebob]

It was, in fact, going to the point where, in California at least, if a pastor refused to marry two men (or more) he could be put in jail. And is it right in your opinion to have group marriages? Imagaine having 2 husbands and 2 wives at the same time. Is that right? It's the same basic principle.

You should really educate yourself.

Oh, I do indeed educate myself. That's why I'm an independent student.

[Nowhere Man]

actually I'm pro polygamy too. it's not for me, but if it makes them happy and is not really invading anyone elses right to happiness, any path is valid. but that's a whole other debate.

as for the pastor case, I agree. since it's a religious thing, he does have the right to deny marrying people, each religion has it's own beliefs. but when it comes to a judge, this law should apply.

[piutebob]

No its not. Its the same basic principle.