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I've been thinking about this battle for a long time and can't decide who would be victorious. My first thought would be Jean . Her telekinesis is a dangerous weapon and her mental abilities even more so powerful. She could pull storm apart like a rag doll and mentally disable her. However, Storm has a lot of pluses on her side. With high mental resistance and the ability to control the elements. Her best offence against Jean would be her ability to manipulate temperature. Since hypothermia can affects the brain to enormous effect Jeans mental powers one could argue would prove useless against Storm. And since all Jeans power stem from the mind its hard to say if jean could over come it. Which then would give Storm the upper hand. And in hand to hand combat I can't see Storm losing to Jean even though Jeans has some combat skills of her own, Storm is the better fighter. Ever way, it would be a very close fight but something tells me Jean would win. What do you guys think?

PLEASE NO PHOENIX NONSENSE!

Hats off to Jean! She's a very powerful psychic mutant, if not the most powerful after Professor X! One single telepathic attack is more than enough to knock Storm down, if not leave brain dead for good!

I always hated that Jean named woman. But, I always wanted to controll weather (am I the only one, who doesn't loves/likes Jean?!).

I would have to say that Jean would win if it was a battle with powers.  Jean would probably be able to hit Storm first, which might give her the upper hand.  If Jean wanted to be evil, she could manipulate Storm claustrophobia as well.

As I wanted to say: Jean is a cheater and evil. Oh come on! She has that big power, because the Phoenix. And without it, she isn't that fighting type.

Your wrong. Her telepathy alone could clear out most of the x-men alone bar xavier and maybe Storm

So: BEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Storm is way better guv!

I think Jean will be the winner. Her Telekinetic power is powerful and She can create Psysic shield for defense herself from Strom power.
And Jean can use telepathic blast....However Storm can create Tornado and thunderstorm. If storm create whirlwind and against Jean....If Jean cannot focus her power she cannot attack storm.....

No doubts for me, Storm would definitly win this match for several reasons:

1. Storm has been attacked telepathicly by the Shadow King ever since she was a little child and has learned to defend herself from this type of attack very effectively. We have to remember that the Shadow King is a VERY powerful telepath, almost as powerful as Xavier. Furthermore, Professor himself has raised her minds defense to amazing levels and other great telepaths such as Exodus and Mr. Sinister have claimmed that her mind is most difficult to access. She has also beaten the hell out of Emma Frost in X-Treme X-Men.

2. Storm is a better leader, strategist and warrior than Jean. She has led the X-Men, Morlocks, Fantastic Four, X.S.E. and is now the queen of the most prosperous nation in Africa. For over 25 years Storm has always been the leader. Unlike Jean, she's not insecure about her powers and is able to come up with great combat strategies very quickly. Since Jean herself has been on teams led by Storm, it's safe to say that she knows very well Jean's weaknesses and how to exploit them.

3. In a physical combat Jean would be defeated very easily. She has always relied on her powers and we almost never see her do anything in battle that's not being done with powers. On the other hand, Storm has defeated some very skilled fighters like Callisto for the leadership of the Morlocks and Cyclops himself for the leadership of the X-Men, both fights without using her powers.

4. Since Jean's telepathy wouldn't be so useful in this fight, she would have to use telekinesis. Storm has beaten Candra, leader of the X-Ternals with hundreds of years of experience, whose power was telekinesis. And she didn't get lucky, she beat Candra TWICE.

5. Storm has on some occasions knocked people out by simply controling the electric discharges of their brains. This is hard for her to do on normal people, but on a psychic mutant, whose brain discharges are hundreds of times more intense, she could do it instantly.

6. Storm is far more powerful than people think. It has been shown on more then one occasion that if she lose control of her emotions she could bring a new ice-age to earth and kill the vast majority of all living creatures. She could also use her powers to create vacum making Jean unable to breathe, enhance air-pressure a hundredfold, freeze her in a heartbeat or even use electrolysis to split the water molecules in a human body instantly dehidrating someone.

7. It has been stated several times that telekinetic shields are not able to defend against electricity because it's immaterial. Electricity is not a substance, it's a chemical reaction.

Storm would gracefully hand Jean's ass to her.

Jeans brain waves are electro magnetic so any attempts Storm makes to attack jean with electricity will just intensify Jeans psyhic shield. So her electricity would have no effect. I think you over estimate Storm mental resistance its not that indestructable. And Storm will fall short if Jean manipulates her claustrophia every time. Its  Jeans Telekenisis thats the killer. She could rip Storm apart within a couple of seconds and no amount of whirlwind armour or bad weather can change that. That's instant FATALITY!!! And on hand to hand, again Jean would win because she'll know what move Storm would go for before she even does so she'll be able to defend herself and counter attack.

Saying electricity will have no effect is like saying a penguin can't be frozen just because it lives in icy climates.

The Phoenix is Omega level, just Jean (as this thread is about) is just an Alpha mutant. Storm is either Alpha or Omega depending on the definition you use. The character that wins is who the fan likes best.

Any character can kill any other if you resort to making them vegetables.

I say it would be a draw.

did any one here read X-Men: Worlds Apart, Storm was kick ass there.  But i would probably go with Jean, between her psychic powers and telekinesis i dont think many stand a chance.

Actually Jean is Omega Level, but that doesn't mean she's more powerful, just means she has unlimited potential, not actual power. Elixir is also an omega level mutant and any senior x-men would defeat him easily.

The fact that Storm could knock Jean out controling the eletric discharges of her brain the second she tried to use any power would make the fight end instantly.

At the end of the day. Jean is telepathic! So game over. She'll know what Storm's next moves are before even Storm does. So she'll just counter attack everything! Storm cannot win this.

Well...I heard, that telepathic attacks could be dodged too, so this is not that easy.

Yes, but Jean herself admits she's not confident in her telepathy powers.

okay, i have been studying them both and have concluded that storm would come up victorious.  just think about it, if storm feels like there is very limited space and jean makes it worse, then storm wont know what she is doing and loose control of her power, if so, then there is no telling what amount of damage that storm could do to jean!

Well yes, if Ororo goes crazy, than no one can tell, what will she do!

exactly what i am saying, so of course storm will emerge victorious.

Yeah, but I just care with the victory of Storm (I hate Jean, she is so...I don't know what, but I don't like her)

Storm has gone up against psychics before and won (White Queen, Shadow King, Elias Bogan). In the time it would take Jean to break through Storms psychic defenses (both from Pro X's training and Storm's own self training), Storm would have hit her with a lightning bolt or something.  If Storm immediately hits her with hurricanes and flash freezes and stuff like that then Jean wont be able to concentrate to use either of her powers. Then its Storm's.

Jean would win, if she immediately threw up a tk shield.  that will keep her protected long enough to either use her telepathy on Storm and try to break her defenses, or just to smack Storm around with her tk.  Plus Storm always holds back, Jean doesn't when she is pissed (just ask Emma Frost :))

but in saying that, doesnt it always seem that when jean gets angry she just has to use the energy she has stored from the Pheonix Force?  In doing so, she would be temoted to use the Pheonix Force which would be a major advantage, to me this seems like a pretty cheap shot.

no not really, theres a lot of comics were she uses her own energy, no phoenix.  for example the issues before the phoenix even replaced her, or the early x-factor comics, just look at "Sabretooth: In the Red Zone", Jean gets pissed, throws Sabretooth around and then breaks his legs with her tk.

well, if so, isnt storm strong enough to insinerate her with electricity

Quote from: Wade Wilson on February 14, 2009, 12:25PM
Yeah, but I just care with the victory of Storm (I hate Jean, she is so...I don't know what, but I don't like her)

The word you looking for is............Cool!

Though it's still sophie's choice for me, can't decide, they are both part of my favorite x-men (together with rogue and nightcrawler)

well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, so i guess it doesnt matter who wins.

Well, I know this sounds crazy but i think with Cerebro Jean may actually win the fight, if anybody saw the series finale of X-Men Evolution you would see that Cerebro enhanced both her telepathy and telekinesis. But still, it does sound kind of crazy to have Jean Grey without the Phoenix, the Shi'ar and everybody else agree the Jean Grey is the Phoenix's "host, heart, and self".
As you can see Jean Grey is my favorite superhero on the planet, but Storm has to get some credit, she can destroy Africa with her powers(Wolverine and the X-Men)

true, i also saw that one.  But, unfortunately the one behind it was Shadow King, without him, storm would have been unable to do what she did.  As a conclusion, Storm can control water, causing hurricanes and multiple tornado's[xmen 2] therefore, she could destroy Earth if lead down that path.

Quote from: StepfordCuckoos<3 on February 23, 2009, 07:25PM
As a conclusion, Storm can control water, causing hurricanes and multiple tornado's[xmen 2]

i get the feeling that the movies arn't exactly known for their continuity

Okay voting over. And it looks like Jean has won by a landslide. Wow. I knew she'd win but I didn't think she would win by that much. But still

VICTORY: JEAN GREY

I still can't believe this...

me neither....and I thought I was doing a good job defending my favourite weather witch =(

A rematch? Or another Somebody versus another Somebody? Please-o-Please? Cheese?

I'll create a new thread; Maybe Spiderman vs Mr. Fantastic? One sticky vs an elastic dude.

Made a new thread:
http://marvelmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=2993.0

I disagree with this - Storm controls the "actions" of mother earth if you will and yes Jean is one of the strongest but without her phoenix force she will fall at battle with Storm although it would be very, very close as Jean would be able to defend herself for a while. Storm would also win in hand to hand combat.

Jean would destroy Storm easily with the phoenix force but ah well.

Nevermind lol we're are all allowed our own opinions.

I think Jean Grey will win, because she could control Storm with her mind, or even rip her atoms apart telekinetically. Jean is a omega-level mutant, and while Storm may be one too I doubt that Storm could control the Phoenix Force, and only the most powerfull mutants can wield the Phoenix Force.

Jean would win because she is an omega telekinetic even without the phoenix force

Quote from: x-man66 on February 28, 2009, 08:18PM
Jean would win because she is an omega telekinetic even without the phoenix force

exactly

I totally agree. Even without her telepathy, she can crush every bone in storms body with just her telekinises. Storm has no chance. Her TK is an instant killer. Now I think about it, it wouldn't even be a close result. Definitley the right verdict.

I had to bring this up again (sorry).

both of them could win depending on who attacked first, they're both able to kill the other in a heartbeat. storm could just fry her with a lightning bolt at 200.000 miles a second and Jean could break every bone in Storm's body with a thought. If they were in it to kill, it would all depend on who attack first. But Storm is definitly more skilled, strategic and a better warrior, no doubts in my mind.

Quoteand while Storm may be one too I doubt that Storm could control the Phoenix Force

this may not be 616, but still counts for something

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/136630-191965-storm.jpg)

Oh yeah, I forget all about that.

And thats another thing. Jean will always attack first or counterattack. Being telepathic she'll know what Storms up to.

no, she won't...it would take a lot of effort to break down storm's defenses before she could read her mind...she wouldn't have that time against storm.

Being telepathic offers no protection towards a homing lightning bolt in the face. If Jean puts up a TK shield then that gives Storm time to create a whirlwind to blow her away.

Quote from: warmachine300 on March 09, 2009, 10:00PM
And thats another thing. Jean will always attack first or counterattack. Being telepathic she'll know what Storms up to.

that didnt help the Shadow King when they recently fought.

True, but one thing should be realized, what would happen if Shadowking took over Storms body, would Jean then be able to predict her attacks?

But please dun forget Storm has also been described as a potential Omega Level Mutant.
Jean can only atomize someone AS PHOENIX. She can't manipulate molecular level. And another point is that Jean has always got difficulties in using telepathy at the same time with telekinesis. So Storm's the winner

That's completely untrue. I don't remember Jean having trouble using her telepathy and telekenisis. She's the second most powerful telepath after Xavier. She completely ease with her powers. The only one who has trouble is Storm. She has too keep her emotions in check at all times.

It's fact that Jean is the second most powerful human telepath after Xavier (Maybe after Shadow King)Using Psychic attack requires great concentration, esp dealing with those with strong spirit like Storm. I can't recall any scene that Jean has used her telekinesis and telepathy to attack at the same time (of course she can fly while using telekinesis). Moreover, it is difficult to attack Storm using telepathy. Storm has even beaten Shadow King.An in some occassion Xavier claimed that even with cerebro, he cannot track down Storm or communicate with her, esp she's using her power. Jean herself told Storm "There's too much static in your brain to pick up your pleasure centers. It's the electrical forces you control, They prevent any deeper probes."

Storm suppresses her emotion as the fluctuation actually can turn into disasters since there exists a psychic bond between herself and the Earth (probably universe). There are times Storm loses her control and the results are...fascinating. Storm's power is actually unlimited like Jean Grey.

and I wouldn't say she's the second most powerful telepath. exodus fought and had the upper hand on all x-men and avengers. he only lost when nate grey showed up. meanwhile jean was easily rendered unconscious and trapped inside a tk shield.

Moondragon enslaved the entire population of a planet.

nate himseld, of course, was the most powerful telepath on earth.

Cassandra Nova apparently is just as powerful as Xavier.

Cable without the technovirus is just as powerful as Nate was.

Stryfe, as a clone of Cable, is more powerful too.

Legion was able to match Xavier in telepathic duels.

Quentin Quire's psychic powers were so great that they consumed his physical body.

Franklin Richards is untrained, but in unconscious lapses he has done things that no other telepath is capable of.

Hyperstorm, of course, was more powerful.

I know many of these people are dead or unable to fully use their telepathy, but some aren't and they are all probably more powerful than a phoenixless jean.

Both can be the winner! But have to make sense..I mean.....training...
Jean Grey can be stop storm's movement by telekinesis, crate psionic shield, telekinetic blast and she is powerful telekinsis she can control everything which she can think and focus. she has immensely telekinesis. and she can hurt storm's mind, causibng storm into coma or stun by telepathic...so I think she can control storm's electricity and whirlwind. and storm can't enter in jean's range if she don't want it happen.

But storm can control element..change the temperature into very cool...so Jean Grey can't focus her telekinsis well if she is very cold..and storm can lighning strike against jean....In Reality Jean is mormal strong if her power useless...And lighning strike is so violently.....so Jean can be died..

Probably, I was late, but nevertheless I will answer is Jean! She have abrupt power and she can stop any! :phoenix: