Poll
Question:
Who would win?
Option 1: Cyclops
Option 2: Wolverine
Option 3: Both
Option 4: Can't decide
Okay ladies and gentlemen! This fight will be between Cyclops :cyclops: (when he is ANGRY!) and Wolverine :wolverine: (when he is ANGRY!). This battle will be full of beams and slashes, so lets see who would win! (If you saw some cartoons, you would know, that both of them is extremly dangerous, when they're angry)
Wolverine. He's too quick, agile and in melee Cyclops isn't great at all. Any shot Cyclops makes, Wolverine should be able to dodge with ease, where as I never seen Cyclops being that quick and fast.
Considering Wolverine has regenerated from just a skeleton and his skeleton is indestructible, I'm going to have to give this one to Wolverine. There's nothing Cyclops can do that will outright kill him... Unless he hires someone to erase him from reality. :P
I can't decide - they're both equal to be honest.
When Cyclops gets going hes one of the post powerfullest X-Men but Wolverine is a very strong fighter and his healing factor is why he wins so many fights.
I think either could win - its on luck to be honest.
Therefore I cannot decide.
Cyclops's only chance would be getting completely out of Wolverine's range. It would be VERY difficult, but not impossible.
On a 'fair fight', no contest, though.
Cyclops' optic blasts can be very powerful, but you've gotta consider the background of them! Cyclops might be very well trained in unarmed hand-to-hand but Wolverine is a samurai and ninja as well! And also, he's got an uncharted healing factor, which gives him a large edge over Cyclops! So this one has a pretty predictable result! Hats off! Wolverine would simply stick two claws into cyclops' eyes, then cut his head off!
Quote from: xlehnsherr on February 28, 2009, 07:23PM
Wolverine would simply stick two claws into cyclops' eyes, then cut his head off!
IIRC, a move like that costed Wolvie his hand in AoA!
true, true! but still, in AoA, cyclops really IS a cyclops... in this contest, for sure Wolverine would kick his butt.
Is it the mainstream cyclops? because in Ultimate X-men cyke was the last x-man to go down in a battle
You guys remember that "Old Man Logan" Series?
Where Logan meets a blind Hawkeye in a devasted USA, divided into territories. He says how he alone slashes the entire X-team! He was deceived by Mysterio's illusions and killed them all. None was left alive! That was cruel!
I'm going with cyclops.
Well, I already voted to Wolverine. He IS a weapon.
As much as i like cyclops i have to admit wolverine :wolverine: would win. If wolverine can face off against the hulk :hulk_icon: and survive then im sure he can beat cyc.
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The Hulk is stupid. Many heroes could pound him!
Logan. No contest.
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 01, 2009, 06:35PM
The Hulk is stupid. Many heroes could pound him!
Maybe Hulk is little in the head, but BIG, I mean HUGE, GIANT (so you got it) in the fist. In World War Hulk, he was like unstoppable! So, beating Hulk is like winning a war!
To:warmachine300
The hulk :hulk_icon: isnt always stupid, for example in world war hulk he definetly wasnt dum. Him and his team took out nearly all the heros. only the sentry could face the hulk and even he had to go all out.
Okay, in the end: to warmachine300, Hulk is the strongest there is, even if he is dumb. Okay now, back to the topic itself.
All i can say to that is mind over muscle. He may be strong but its all about your tactics
Yeah, have you ever read World War Hulk series? Cyclops were nothing with his dumb eyes against him. BTW: Stay at the topic, because Hulk is not on topic right know. (Hulk would punch almost every hero through the ocean, I think only the Sentry were able to defeat him, alone, but I'm not sure...maybe he got some help)
Why are you people talking about the Hulk? The thread is about Cyclops and Wolverine!
This is no contest at all. It's like a big bully stealing candy from kindergarten child! Cyclops is a dead meat!
Cyclops would win. If he is angry, Cyclops would remove his visor and give Wolvie a taste of a full on optic blast. What can one do?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg
First he takes a hit from a Sentinal and then decides to let the Sentinel have it. Even Wolvie knows what's up.
Cyclops' beams are made up of concussive force, even if he can do that Wolverine has his indestructible adamantium skeleton and ridiculous healing factor.
Wolverine regenerated himself back from this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/muchalucha/Wolverine43-017-018.jpg
Cyclops' beams can't accomplish that. They'd only knock him back. Sure, he can "punch holes in mountains", but last time I checked mountains weren't indestructible like Wolverine (except in AoA, but I assume we're talking about 616).
Quote from: nodoubt_jr on March 03, 2009, 01:36PM
Why are you people talking about the Hulk? The thread is about Cyclops and Wolverine!
I know, I know. Sorry, but this was important for me, back to topic.
Quote from: ThatGuy on March 03, 2009, 09:51PM
Cyclops would win. If he is angry, Cyclops would remove his visor and give Wolvie a taste of a full on optic blast. What can one do?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/howdysaysthedrow/X-Men/Blast3.jpg
First he takes a hit from a Sentinal and then decides to let the Sentinel have it. Even Wolvie knows what's up.
Well, don't forget, that Wolverine would kill everybody, if he is in his angry, feral state, but you have a point there.
Quote from: Dihan on March 04, 2009, 01:31AM
Cyclops' beams are made up of concussive force, even if he can do that Wolverine has his indestructible adamantium skeleton and ridiculous healing factor.
Wolverine regenerated himself back from this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/muchalucha/Wolverine43-017-018.jpg
Cyclops' beams can't accomplish that. They'd only knock him back. Sure, he can "punch holes in mountains", but last time I checked mountains weren't indestructible like Wolverine (except in AoA, but I assume we're talking about 616).
There is a point in this too (yes, we are talking about the primary 616 universe)
Wolverine is key to saving anybody at anytime no matter the condition. When wolverine was being pursued, by guards in the building where they held the x-men after lookin for Kitty Pride, he reacted and killed them instantly, but Cyclops has so much energy behind his visor in which you cant determine his potential.
Quote from: Dihan on March 04, 2009, 01:31AM
Wolverine regenerated himself back from this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/muchalucha/Wolverine43-017-018.jpg
Now, come on... I'll take this as poetic license, if not as downright bad writing. Lots of previous, well established evidence suggests that Wolvie shouldn't regenerate from THAT.
(But I'll concede that things change and I've been out of touch of Marvel for a while - in fact, MUA brought me back!)
Loads of things are retconned. This is one of them.
Quote from: Dihan on March 04, 2009, 01:31AM
Cyclops' beams can't accomplish that. They'd only knock him back. Sure, he can "punch holes in mountains", but last time I checked mountains weren't indestructible like Wolverine (except in AoA, but I assume we're talking about 616).
Well, there's a distinction to be made here between "universe" and "continuity", I guess. AoA may be a 'pocket universe', but is firmly set within (back then) official Marvel continuity. In fact, a series of events set in official continuity made AoA possible at all.
(Sorry I didn't notice the quoted comment before!)
Quote from: Dihan on March 04, 2009, 07:50AM
Loads of things are retconned. This is one of them.
Understood. Quite frankly, this is one bit I don't like.
Quote from: StepfordCuckoos<3 on March 04, 2009, 02:03AM
Wolverine is key to saving anybody at anytime no matter the condition. When wolverine was being pursued, by guards in the building where they held the x-men after lookin for Kitty Pride, he reacted and killed them instantly, but Cyclops has so much energy behind his visor in which you cant determine his potential.
Well, I saw some X-Men cartoons and many comics, and if Cyclops used his power fully, it wasn't enough, to do damage (like in World War Hulk or in X-Men Evolution, the second time against Juggernaut). But, against Wolverine, well, don't forget, if Cyclops is angry, he isn't that tactical style, but Wolverine always that fast killing animal.
Quote from: ZOS on March 04, 2009, 08:16AM
Quote from: Dihan on March 04, 2009, 07:50AM
Loads of things are retconned. This is one of them.
Understood. Quite frankly, this is one bit I don't like.
Agreed. They've taken Wolverine too far. I'm sick of him being 100% indestructible.
Well, that's not true, I think. I mean, in AOA he lost one of his hand, and in another timeline...if I remember well...he really broken (I mean, his arms or legs or dunno)...and there is the Ultimate universe! Hulk teared him apart (he teared his legs of and throw them away, if I remember well...)
Quote from: Dihan on March 04, 2009, 01:31AM
Cyclops' beams are made up of concussive force, even if he can do that Wolverine has his indestructible adamantium skeleton and ridiculous healing factor.
Wolverine regenerated himself back from this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/muchalucha/Wolverine43-017-018.jpg
Cyclops' beams can't accomplish that. They'd only knock him back. Sure, he can "punch holes in mountains", but last time I checked mountains weren't indestructible like Wolverine (except in AoA, but I assume we're talking about 616).
Wolverine can't regenerate like that anymore. That was a side effect of having his powers tinkered with at the time. he is back to his old levels. Hence why in a later event (Messiah Complex), after Wolvie got a simple wound, X-23 told him he healed too slow (because he was indeed, taking forever--X-23 healed faster than him from worse cuts). Even in X-Force, it takes time for Wolvie to regenerate. In his own one-shot, he spent quite a bit of time healing from having his stomach slied open. A simple cut and yet it took him a good long while. In any case, Cyclops beams can accomplish that since they are concussive force. The only reason why they knock Wolvie back in the past is because they are concentrated and focused in one spot and there is only a singular stream as opposed to a constant torrent of energy. If all the beam did is knock Wolvie back, the collective force as the beam kept pushng would send Wolvie a few miles back. Cyclops wins this rather easily, since all he has to do is stand there with his eyes open (since the beams come out with no effort at all and come out with greater force if he pushes them out).
If I'm correct, X-23 is supposed to be Wolverine's clone, right?
Shouldn't be considered the age factor? She's like what? 16 or 17? Logan is almost 100 years old! That has got to make a difference too.
Possibly, though X-23 is not a perfect clone of Wolvie in that she lacks the Y chromosome and has a number of things different about her, such as the positioning of her claws. And this doesn't change the fact that Wolvie was holding his guts and had to sit down to heal. It's been pretty much stated, after the uproar that was caused by Wolvie coming back from being a skeleton, that he can't do that anymore. And also recently, Wolvie has stated that he was unsure if he could handle a group of guards, stating that they could kill him, since there were enough of them. He beat them, but that candid moment makes one wonder.
And to add, Cyclops can tear the skin off Wolvie. He did it to the Hulk recently, someone who's skin is much stronger than Wolvie's. I'm a big fan of Wolverine, but I have to admit it when he's beat. And he'd get beat in this match-up.
Well, maybe Cycy would tear his skin off, but he can regenerate it, and BTW, to tear it off, first, he has to shot Wolverine, but don't forget, Wolverine is fast, so don't count him down after a lucky shot.
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 05, 2009, 01:08AM
Well, maybe Cycy would tear his skin off, but he can regenerate it, and BTW, to tear it off, first, he has to shot Wolverine, but don't forget, Wolverine is fast, so don't count him down after a lucky shot.
If Cyclops takes off his visor, no amount of speed that Wolvie can muster will save him. That and Cyclops has tagged people with superspeed with his visor on. Wolvie is honestly too slow to avoid truly getting hit, since speedsters can get hit and objects moving at much faster speeds can be shot down with ease by Cyclops. As for tearing off Wolvie's skin, that is the least of his worries. I was just showing that Cylops can blast Wolvie down to a skeleton if he wanted to. And since Wolvie cannot regenerate from that (he can't, I'll explain why) he would get put down. As for Wolvie regenerating from a skeleton, a full on blast from Cyclops, unvisored, would take out everything, including Wolie's eyes. The nature of Cyclops beams are that if they do not destroy something they will either keep pushing or bounce off. Since there are tracts that lead from the orbit to the brain, the beams can travel along those tracts and obliterate his brain. This is if Cyclops does not send Wolvie flying into another state from the sheer force. Cyclops wins every way you look at it.
In any case, for those worried about speed:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3446/000cwkcr1eu.jpg
Yep, that's Northstar he took out. Without hesitation or bother.
Okay-okay, not fast enough, but Wolverine is like a hunter and...erm...Wolverine is better!
I don't think Cyke can unleash very easily beams so powerful that could tear Logan's skin off. So he'd better not miss that shot... otherwise, he's pretty much dead.
Quote from: ZOS on March 05, 2009, 04:55PM
I don't think Cyke can unleash very easily beams so powerful that could tear Logan's skin off. So he'd better not miss that shot... otherwise, he's pretty much dead.
If he can tear Hulk's skin, he can do it to Wolvie since Hulk's skin is stronger's than Wolvie's.
As for missing, with his visor off, he can't miss. I showed he can easily let lose a powerful blast strong enough to take down a sentinel and large part of a forest. He did this after getting smacked by said Sentinel while tired and groggy from the hit. That's pretty impressive.
I like Wolvie too but I see no way he would win this. Wolvie can be beaten by alot of different X-men (Iceman having the easiest time).
Even with his visor off, he can't let loose a 360° covering blast, can he? Has anyone mentioned Logan is fast? Lol
But ok, your pic actually conviced me Wolverine may not have that easy of a time. But he definitely takes it in most scenarios I think of, to be fair.
Quote from: ZOS on March 05, 2009, 05:54PM
Even with his visor off, he can't let loose a 360° covering blast, can he? Has anyone mentioned Logan is fast? Lol
But ok, your pic actually conviced me Wolverine may not have that easy of a time. But he definitely takes it in most scenarios I think of, to be fair.
But Cyc covers an area to great for Wolvie to move. Wolvie can't doge a visorless blast. In any case, I can't a see a situation with Wolvie winning, unless Cyc is already dead before Wolvie fights him.
Well, even if taking the visor assecured Cyke a sure-kill, the timing to actually taking it out should be enough for Wolvie to just maul him. An AoA scenario would be the worst world for Wolvie... which is still better than what Cyclops gets.
Quote from: ZOS on March 05, 2009, 07:45PM
Well, even if taking the visor assecured Cyke a sure-kill, the timing to actually taking it out should be enough to Wolvie to maul him. An AoA scenario would be the worst world for Wolvie... which is better than what Cyclops gets.
Cyclops is fast enough to move out of the way and get some shots off in the process. Wolvie is fast but not that fast. His attacks can be dodged. It happens on a common basis, actually.
Cyclops is fast enough to dodge Wolverine's attacks during the fractions of seconds in which he's taking off the visor? I don't think so!
Quote from: ZOS on March 05, 2009, 07:51PM
Cyclops is fast enough to dodge Wolverine's attacks during the fractions of seconds in which he's taking off the visor? I don't think so!
Yes he is. If you care to prove otherwise, go on ahead. Wolverine is not that fast. I've been reading X-men for a long time and Wolvie has never moved fast enough to make think that he could tag Cyclops.
Ok, tomorrow I might come up with evidence to back up what I say... might be fun. One last comment for today, though: Wolvie isn't always portrayed as quite adept to dodging because he will mostly just take the hit knowing it wont cause him further harm.
doesnt Wolverine just have to stab him in the eyes and its all over? Cyclops wont be able to use his powers then, at least Wolverine has the unbreakable skeloton thing and healing factor, those arent as easy to just knock out.
Quote from: ZOS on March 05, 2009, 08:13PM
Ok, tomorrow I might come up with evidence to back up what I say... might be fun. One last comment for today, though: Wolvie isn't always portrayed as quite adept to dodging because he will mostly just take the hit knowing it wont cause him further harm.
Indeed. In fact, Wolvie tends to let himself take a couple of hits before attempting to dodge. That would be a mistake in someone who can level a mountain. Either ways, either he's not fast enough or the first hit or two puts him in a bad way. This is also why Punisher was able to embarrass him one time (shooting him in the face blew it clean off) then in the family jewels).
Quote from: nodoubt_jr on March 05, 2009, 08:15PM
doesnt Wolverine just have to stab him in the eyes and its all over? Cyclops wont be able to use his powers then, at least Wolverine has the unbreakable skeloton thing and healing factor, those arent as easy to just knock out.
All it takes is for Cyclops to see Wolvie's hand moving for him to react. Cyc doen't need to adjust his visors with his hands to let loose a blast. He can do it almost by sheer thought (it involves him widening his eyes and such--they mentioned in one issue long ago). And since Cyclops can track things that move faster than Wolvie (or his hands), can repel an attack like that.
Quote from: nodoubt_jr on March 05, 2009, 08:15PM
doesnt Wolverine just have to stab him in the eyes and its all over? Cyclops wont be able to use his powers then, at least Wolverine has the unbreakable skeloton thing and healing factor, those arent as easy to just knock out.
That's what I said at first, but people just don't see it as a possiblity. But that's my point too. Cyke could never fire a blast fast enough before getting two claws in the eyes. And if Logan really wants to kiil summers, he might just pop the middle claw and slice cyke's entire head.
Quote from: xlehnsherr on March 05, 2009, 08:24PM
That's what I said at first, but people just don't see it as a possiblity. But that's my point too. Cyke could never fire a blast fast enough before getting two claws in the eyes. And if Logan really wants to kiil summers, he might just pop the middle claw and slice cyke's entire head.
As I said before:
All it takes is for Cyclops to see Wolvie's hand moving for him to react. Cyc doen't need to adjust his visors with his hands to let loose a blast. He can do it almost by sheer thought (it involves him widening his eyes and such--they mentioned in one issue long ago). And since Cyclops can track things that move faster than Wolvie (or his hands), can repel an attack like that.
You are too fanatic with Cyclops. You are talking about him, if like he is the ULTIMATE MUTANT HERO!!! Wolverine survived a battle with the Hulk, but Cyclops...well, he would die in a one-on-one against the Hulk. BTW, maybe Cyclops blast Wolverine some times, but he would be exhausted, Wolvie regenerates, and slash! Cyc is dead.
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 06, 2009, 03:44AM
You are too fanatic with Cyclops. You are talking about him, if like he is the ULTIMATE MUTANT HERO!!! Wolverine survived a battle with the Hulk, but Cyclops...well, he would die in a one-on-one against the Hulk. BTW, maybe Cyclops blast Wolverine some times, but he would be exhausted, Wolvie regenerates, and slash! Cyc is dead.
I'm not being fanatic about Cyclops. I'm simply showing why I think he would win. Nothing more. The truly fanatical thing to do is to support a character without any proof, insist he will win when there is evidence to the contrary, and re-state arguments that have either been shown to be false or debunked already. Even more so, making excuses and creating scenarios in hopes it will allow the character some leeway or put them on the same level as the opposing character. I've done none of those things. I can't say the same for some posts in support of Wolvie. I don't see why a person who has supported his viewpoints with scans and such and actual info from the comics as opposed to imagined scenarios is being looked upon as a fanatic.
And I'm not making Cyc seem like the ultimate superhero. I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact: Wolvie has his limitations. If this were Iceman vs. Wolverine, I'm sure someone would say something similar since Iceman could beat Wolvie sitting down. Does that mean I just made him look like the utimate superhero? No, just stating something obvious. Wolverine can't beat everyone. Going against Hulk doesn't mean much when 1) Your the umpteenth person who has. and 2) You lost...on different occasions....in different ways. The Hulk is mindless most times and yet he can still get creative on you? That's a blow to one's ego if there ever was one. This is what happens when you put things in perspective. What seems all great and wonderful is really just par.
As for Wolvie's regeneration and Cyc getting exhausted, I already covered that about 2 pages ago.
I honestly don't understand why you are taking this personally (it seems this way). I've been simply responding to posts directed at me or seem to have a fallacy in them. I could care less about who people want to win. Much like the Spider-man vs. Mr. Fantastic thread. I thought Spidey would win. I put forth proof, and left it at that, since no one tried to counter it or made a post in contradiction. There were people who insisted that Reed would win. And posted. I could have called them fanatical but I left it alone, since who am I to shove my opinion down someone's throat. It's not a big deal. In any case, these threads are fun, hence why I keep coming back.
Wolverine is one of the best known characters of Marvel. He battled against many great enemies and so and so. I think, Wolverine is strong enough, to survive and defeat Cyclops. Look, whenever I say Wolverine would win, you always come up with many "proofs" about Cyclops's victory. And just one thing. You say I lost and Cyclops would win, right? Well, check out the poll, because I'm not the only one, who thinks, that Wolvie would win.
People these threads are suppose to be fun. Dont make it personal, these vs are not serious at all.
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 06, 2009, 01:47PM
Look, whenever I say Wolverine would win, you always come up with many "proofs" about Cyclops's victory.
Thats what these threads are about, proving who would win, i seriously doubt he was attacking you. If anything you attacked him by calling him a "fanatic".
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 06, 2009, 01:47PM
And just one thing. You say I lost and Cyclops would win, right? Well, check out the poll, because I'm not the only one, who thinks, that Wolvie would win.
You lost? When did he say this? Are you Wolverine?
No so dont take it personal
Lol, again people these are suppose to be fun, and not serious.
Wait-wait-wait. For first of all, yeah, nothing fanatic in saying every word that Wolverine would lose because of this and that. Okay, I admit, that Cyclops can beat him, but not that easy. I say, that Wolverine would win and you say that Cyclops, but Cyclops isn't that good, you have to admit that too. Oh, and for the second one, I misunderstanded his last comment (this is forgivable, because I'm hungarian, not english). BTW, you said a very easy and quite good tactic (you know, that eye stabbing), but whenever I (or somebody else) says something about defeating Cyclops, he always says something, "unbelieveable" (I hope I didn't misspelled or anything) about dodging that situation. For the first and the last time: Wolverine was a samurai, a soldier, an agent, assasin etc. he is fast enough to stab Cyc's eyes out and many other things too.
Like nodoubt_jr said, this is supposed to be fun.
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 06, 2009, 01:47PM
Wolverine is one of the best known characters of Marvel. He battled against many great enemies and so and so. I think, Wolverine is strong enough, to survive and defeat Cyclops. Look, whenever I say Wolverine would win, you always come up with many "proofs" about Cyclops's victory. And just one thing. You say I lost and Cyclops would win, right? Well, check out the poll, because I'm not the only one, who thinks, that Wolvie would win.
Being best known does not equal best in a battle. Him fighting a number of different people is less impressive given his healing factor. Daredevil's many battles or Punisher's (epsecially Punisher) many battles is more impressive because at the end of the day, they can't up and heal and be good as new the next day. I enjoy Wolvie as a character, but his powers make him less impressive than Punhsier sometimes. especially when he had the amped up healing facotr (glad they downgraded it), he was less impressive.
As for coming up with proofs whenever you say Wolvie wins, well, that's how it goes. If not, this will turn into a pointless bck and forth. You said you were going to post Wolvie pics. By all means go ahead. You may prove your point better than I proved mine. Honestly, the best part of these threads is that we get to see all the cool things each character has done. As for the poll, it's a poll. Often times, those boil down to popularity contests and depend on who's posting. If I'm not mistaken, a magazine (or a newspaper) did a poll of who would win out a contest of superheroes. Kitty Pryde (Shadowcat) and Buffy the Vampire Slayer outlasted Hulk, Wolverine, and many ohers. I'm fairly sure Wolverine was beaten by Kitty or Buffy (or Jubilee--if I recall where I saw this, I'll post it). So polls can easily be flawed. Bias can make them flawed as could not enough knowledge on a given character. Cyclops's feats are fairly unknown to most people. Most people don't know about what he did to the sentinel picture I posted. Most people don't know that he can absorb energy through his eyes only to throw it out again (he did this once). Most people don't know that he has beaten all the X-men on two seperate occasions. Most people don't know that he has beaten both Black Tom and Juggernaut by himself. Most people don't know that he has taken down Apocalypse by himself. Most people don't know he can make his beams bounce off surcaes with more accuracy and prescision than Bullseye can with weapons. Most people don't know that he holds he main distinction of being the only Marvel character to date to put down Batman in a cross-company battle. There are alot of things people don't know about Cyc. So I don't blame people for the poll being as skewered as it is.
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 06, 2009, 03:17PM
Wait-wait-wait. For first of all, yeah, nothing fanatic in saying every word that Wolverine would lose because of this and that. Okay, I admit, that Cyclops can beat him, but not that easy. I say, that Wolverine would win and you say that Cyclops, but Cyclops isn't that good, you have to admit that too. Oh, and for the second one, I misunderstanded his last comment (this is forgivable, because I'm hungarian, not english). BTW, you said a very easy and quite good tactic (you know, that eye stabbing), but whenever I (or somebody else) says something about defeating Cyclops, he always says something, "unbelieveable" (I hope I didn't misspelled or anything) about dodging that situation. For the first and the last time: Wolverine was a samurai, a soldier, an agent, assasin etc. he is fast enough to stab Cyc's eyes out and many other things too.
How is anything I'm saying is "unbelievable" when I've shown scans that prove what I've said? Cyclops can get a shot off if Wolvie goes for his eyes. Cyc is fast enough to stop this. Where did I show this? When he hit Northstar. Understand some things about that picture:
1. Northstar was traveling so fast that he was a mere blur. That is how most characters moving too fast to be seen by the normal eye were drawn.
2. Cyclops shot him with an optic blast. Look at where his hands are. Exactly. not touching the visor but at his sides. This is not the only time Cyc has done this but a good example of him doing so against someone moving at speeds far faster than ole Wolvie can strike.
So no, I've stated nothing unbelievable. I told you to go ahead and prove me wrong. Show me a picture where Wolvie is moving fast enough to make Northstar look like a slug, then the point you keep mentioning about "claws to the eyes" will gain some ground. Until then, he's not fast enough to get Cyclops like that.
As for Wolvie being all those things, it means nothing. It just means that he should be able to not let things like this happen to him (yet they do):
1. http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3192/wolverinehits10qj.gif
Picture 2-3 are in the same issue, after Frank, going easy on Wolvie, shoots him in the face. Wolvie won't leave him alone, so.....
2. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1250/972831637_8938c26fd0_o.jpg
3. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1156/973728532_cdad630e20_o.jpg
Healing factor or not, it's not fun to get hit down there. I'm sure Wolvie would make a point to prevent geting hit down there, let alone shot. He does feel pain as he is healing/regenerating (he stated this in his own series too).
4. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1033/983557995_431bba729a_o.jpg
I like Wolverine but seriously, he's not the world's best. He's just a fun read.
Ok locking thread, but not the poll (i'll let the topic creator do that). ThatGuy you made some really good points and like what happened in the Storm vs Jean thread, i can definetly see both winning depending on who reacts first. Wade Wilson dont take things so personally and seriously. And next time let the characters do the fighting :)
edit: i closed it because i think everyone has already made their arguments and i really dont want this to turn into a ThatGuy vs Wade Wilson thread, instead of a Cyclops vs. Wolverine thread.