http://www.cyber-animation.com/wolverine/wolverine.htm
The trailer is pretty cool. :blob: :avalanche:
The whole series will be 26 30-min episodes long.
(http://www.cyber-animation.com/images/wolverine_visuel2.jpg)
I can't wait for this!
New trailer at http://www.marvel.com/ (http://www.marvel.com/)
Cool. I found this one on YouTube, which seems to have better sound than Marvel's site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9v3yrb4WbA
I really don't like these new art styles, but it looks good nonetheless.
I forget if it was on ign or marvel site, but there was a review of the first three episodes on a podcast (from when the reviewers saw it at comiccon i assume) and they said for at least those episodes that they weren't impressed and not to expect much :( They also said the first three episodes weren't much like the trailers. Let's just hope it turns out ok
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I think the review is on podcast 16 here http://comics.ign.com/index/podcasts.html
Can't spell ignorant without IGN. :P
I must be honest... i LOVE WOLVIE... but i don't think he's... leader material... actually, maybe he is, i just don't like him as one ^^
Still, this series seems cool and i'll watch it just to see wolvie in action ^^
Cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrKNtrCoHUc&feature=related
I found this one too
Can't wait to see the series...with Rogue being a double-agent :D
Have anyone seen the first episode? It's on YTV for Canadians.
Yeah, I've seen it twice, haha, last saturday and this saturday. It made me want to watch more.
I've seen the first two episodes and I really want to see more.
is there anywere online were i can watch them?
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=BZASXRHZ
thanks :)
Something really strange is that they've already showed at least 4 episodes in my country... even though most shows take at least 3-6 months before they air here (as an example, Spectacular Spider-Man's been out for just 2 or 3 episodes more than Wolverine and the X-Men).
So far, there are good things and bad things. The thing that bothers me the most is that Wolverine takes the role of the leader, which among other things goes against the typical Wolverine behavior of being the one who doesn' trust new members, or goes his own way, etc.
Wolverine even said in the second episode that no one wants to join because he's the leader.
What time and day does each episode air in Canada anyway? I want to put it down on my mental list of what to keep tabs on - alongside Heroes and the such.
Quote from: Norrin Radd on September 15, 2008, 12:33PM
Yeah, I've seen it twice, haha, last saturday and this saturday. It made me want to watch more.
I knew it... because you are an X-fan!!! :D
Quote from: Dihan on September 15, 2008, 05:33PM
Wolverine even said in the second episode that no one wants to join because he's the leader.
What time and day does each episode air in Canada anyway? I want to put it down on my mental list of what to keep tabs on - alongside Heroes and the such.
It's aired on Saturdays at 7pm (Pacific Tiime/Eastern Time) on YTV.
Thanks. I'm assuming there have been two episodes so far?
Anyway I can watch the third episode? I alredy have seen the first two.
The third episode is out. I'm actually quite enjoying this, it's a nice little show. If it weren't for that awful looking Iron Man cartoon that's in the pipeline, I'd say Marvel animation was actually good again thanks to this and SSM.
Emma Frost is EXACTLY how I imagined her to be. The only character who's getting irritating is Wolverine - what with all the "Charrrles" stuff every few minutes.
i think that wolvie is realy awsome in this cartoon and steve blum is doing a great job as a vo actor for him
I REALY like this cartoon, but Emma's voice isn't how I imagined it, and I know this is a kids cartoon, but she seems less .... b!tchy, like, she is too caring.
I've seen the last few episodes in Spanish (EURGH! I NEED TRANSLATIONS) and they are realy cool.
Storm and Kitty need more attention, and I know Logan is the leader, but they need episodes focuesed on one person other then him, time to time, like a Beast one.
Ok, this is kinda weird. Wolverine is a leader, not Cyclops. Oh yeah. I saw him fight Hulk in a Trailer.
I really want to watch this series. Which channel can you usually find it?
I've downloaded the first 9 episodes so far. They are already airing in Canada, so the torrents are online. Episode 9 was on this week and it totally rocked. I like that this series has had so many cameos so far, and even if only seen for a few minutes utilizes lots of different mutants. I was all sorts of excited to see Magma a few weeks ago, and Hellion and Firestar in this past weeks episode. Hell last week had Psylocke get a beat down from Emma. She took her out in about 5 seconds flat. Gotta love it.
Some fantastic person uploaded all 12 episodes on Youtube, watched em, loved em :)
When is the rest airing?
A different TV station has acquired the rights a while ago so the English versions will be broadcast from the beginning sometime in the next few months.
So far this is terrible. I've seen 12 episodes and Cyclops, Storm & co have done absolutely nothing and have hardly appeared. Errrr I'm so SICK & TIERD of Wolverine hogging everything as if it wasn't bad enough he hogged the screen time in all the x-men movies. Give the others a chance. THANK GOD 4 EMMA FROST though.
So far X-Men Evolution was the BEST x cartoon followed by the 92 Animated series. This new one has BIG shoes to fill. I take my x-men very seriously
Quote from: warmachine300 on January 07, 2009, 01:52AM
So far X-Men Evolution was the SECOND BEST x cartoon following the 92 Animated series. This new one has BIG shoes to fill. I take my x-men very seriously
Fixed :D
Well I agree that they're showing a bit too much of Wolverine everywhere, but about the series, it is called Wolverine and the X-Men, so naturally...
I like the show, can't wait to see the the later episodes and Jean... :)
Quote from: warmachine300 on January 07, 2009, 01:52AM
So far X-Men Evolution was the BEST x cartoon followed by the 92 Animated series. This new one has BIG shoes to fill. I take my x-men very seriously
no way, the Animated Series was way, way better than Evolution. The Animated Series and this new one feel like "real" X-Men cartoons, the characters are pretty close to the comic books, Evolution was so distorted and seemed like "X-Men: The OC"
Evolution & The Animated series were close to the comic books. But the Animated series was more distorted than Evolution on numerous of things. but this new one is the worst. You must be joking if you think this new one is better than Evolution. Evolution was brilliantly written and so spot on. It won TWO Emmys as well as being nominated for others. Its been 12 episodes OF Wolverine and the X-Men and so far Storm, Cyclops and co have done absolutely nothing. I hardly notice they are there. Everything revolves around Wolverine. That is so insulting and disrespectful to the other characters that Lee, Kirby and co created. The title 'Wolverine & The X-Men' alone implies that Wolverine is the most important character and everyone else is insignificant. Which is NOT at all a true reflection on the comic books. As if hogging all the X-Men movies was not enough now we have this new cartoon dedicated to him and soon to be new film dedicated all to him again. Urhhh!!!!!
LOL @ Teancum.
Well you can't really complain, since the show is called Wolverine and the X-Men, naturally it would mostly be about him.
If it was X-Men and he hogged all the screen time (like the movies) then you'd have the right to complain :)
I like the show, it's ok
I like it too. I just watched the end of ep 12. I am wondering what is going to happen with the cliff hanger at the very end of the episode. No spoilers please! :)
I must say that I liked the 90s series better though, even though they did distort stuff (I mean come on it was geared for kids, and the comics don't necessarily cater to that group much). A lot of the stuff that happened in the comics probably had to be censored. Also I believe it was produced by Sabin, look what they did to the power rangers and what they wanted to do to Sailor Moon. LOL.
As for evolution, it was good, but I have to agree with nodoubt and say that I liked the 90s series best of all (well at least until they were coming to the end and just started to put in random stuff and change the animation style...)
Well, I think this Wolverine stuff is too much. I mean, yeah, I know, that everybody likes him and everything, but Wolverine in the new cartoon and in the films aren't Wolverine enough. I mean, I think the real Wolverine is like in "Pryde of the X-men". I don't want to see Wolverine so good. "He is the best in what he does and what he does isn't nice", it means, he is a positive-negative character. Good and bad, and in the films and in this new cartoon, well, he isn't that big killer type.
I love scarlet witch so much...and I think Polaris is powerful magnetic force she can split pieces fo sentinal....so good.. and Emma frost is powerful telepath than psylocke in battles (time bomb)
I personally only liked the last season of x-men evolution, and not that much. The series from the 90's was MUCH MUCH better. I'd even say it's the second best cartoon based on comic books after Batman TAS. In fact, I started liking superhero comic books because os this cartoon.
X-Men Evolution is so silly with the x-men worrying about stupid things like proms, basketball matches, dates and dresses that it should be called SALEM CENTER 90210.
Well, in X-Men Evolution the characters were primarily teenagers and the whole high school setting was meant to make it more approachable. I personally grew up watching the Evolution series. I liked it. I've watched the 90s series and that's good too.
Both are good for different reasons.
The 90's series is by far the best, but Evolution is pretty darn decent as well. I haven't bothered to watch Wolv & da X-Men because frankly I'm tired of Wolverine being at the forefront of anything that involves him remotely.
Quote from: Nowhere Man on February 23, 2009, 09:41AM
In fact, I started liking superhero comic books because os this cartoon.
thats the same reason i got into comics, the cartoon was just so great for me. i havent been watching this new one, but i already like what i have seen.
well i've watched up to episode 18, i'm in love with the series. im not sure i like shadowcat and iceman's costumes. but im not in love with jean disappearing, so harsh
am i the only one getting sick of these stylised cartoons? first it was transformers, now its x-men
I will always prefer Evolution to the 90's one. Too many things annoyed me about the 90's show like Fox's heavy censorship and the ridiculous fight sequences but this Wolverine and The X-men one is shaping up to be okay. I'mma give it another chance methinks. Just finished watching episode 18 and it was amazing. However they've turned Storm into a weakling which i don't like. Best character by far in the show is Emma Frost.
Yes, I love the show, I really do, but Storm is such a Female Cat it's unbelievable, it's like all that villains do is attack Storm, and all that she does is fly up in the air gets struck by something and falls down -_-
I just found out today that were I live Wolverine and the xmen is on the free-to-air TV service and not that service that I pay to watch :(
what do you mean? you have cable but you can't watch public networks? never heard of that before
I have cable and I can watch public networks , I just never watch the public networks and miss out when finaly a good show comes is put onto the public networks because I never watch them.
I just found out that Wolverine and the X-Men is on daily here in the UK at 1pm on the CBBC channel... I can't watch it today because of school, though. At least I can watch it afterwards on the BBC iPlayer.
I'm currently up to episode 20.
90s ver is the best for me more close and real to the comics though it still had plot holes.
So far 90s ver, imo had the best animation until season 5. Juggernaut looks like a Juggernaut not just a body builder like in xmenevo and wolverine and xmen.
Phoenix/dark Saga, Time Fugitives, One Mans Worth, Days of Future Past, Beyond Good and Evil are some of the best episodes.
Also voice acting is better Wolverine, Sabretooth and definetly Apocalypse comes to mind.
Dihan do they repeat one episode everyday for the week? as everyday a new ep they would finished this series within a month.
There's a new one everyday.
I hope this would come to Finland too, but that's probably not going to happen... :(
So I'll just have to watch it on youtube, which sucks because the screen is so small
There are two episodes left to be shown in the UK. I was waiting for Emma to go turncoat on the X-Men.
The series has just finished in the UK and I'm really sad Emma Frost exploded into millions of shards of diamond...
Though Cyclops does look quite dashing in his Age of Apocalypse uniform.
Quote from: Dihan on March 12, 2009, 08:22AM
The series has just finished in the UK and I'm really sad Emma Frost exploded into millions of shards of diamond...
Though Cyclops does look quite dashing in his Age of Apocalypse uniform.
I know, but she did it because she was a true hero, protecting all of those who she loved (Cyclops and the xmen), I hope Emma return in the second season and her relationship with Cyke be exprored.
But it's so sad :(
But for me she was the most interesting character in all the series :)
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Quote from: whiteking on March 12, 2009, 08:40AM
I know, but she did it because she was a true hero, protecting all of those who she loved (Cyclops and the xmen), I hope Emma return in the second season and her relationship with Cyke be exprored.
But it's so sad :(
But for me she was the most interesting character in all the series :)
Yes, I have to admit she is fantastic in the show, she always made me laugh, haha :D
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QuoteYes, I have to admit she is fantastic in the show, she always made me laugh, haha
I know she's so sarcastic and cold and amazing, she really looks like her comic counterpart:)
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Emma was the true STAR of the whole show
agreed!
I liked the cartoon a lot...as for it being too stylized, I agree, though it still looks good. I just don't like that ridiculous haircut for Nightcrawler. Wanda and Polaris look great!
Storm is kinda weird...her hair is too big and her nose is odd too. Personality-wise, she's too weak. Will there ever be another (apart from tas) x-toon that makes her justice?
I liked Kitty's and Bobby's costumes.
And, of course, too much Wolverine. Can't stand him anymore. There's a Brazilian blog that counts how many times Logan appears on comics covers everymonth and it's just getting ridiculous. I remember when a kinda liked him.
Other than that....I think this cartoon is very cool. Better than X-Ev.
You must be crazy. TAS version of Storm was the worst one EVER!!. Her voice was stupid and her lines were so unrealistic and melodramatic. You could never take her seriously. Plus they drew her powers very badly. They turned Storm her into a joke. My friends used to laugh everytime she opened her mouth and always asked me "Why does she talk like that" Everytime she moaned it was like she was having an orgasm! The Wolverine and The X-Men Storm version is alot better. Although I do agree, her hair looks terrible. Like a big hot air balloon. Plus she wasn't given enough screen time. But even when she was, she was knocked around like a rag doll. Evolution Storm was the best of them all. No gimmicks, just a straight up tough lady that could take care of herself, with great combat skills and a great voice actress behind her.
I don't think this show is better than X-EV yet but its better than The Animated series for sure.
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 12, 2009, 10:59PM
Emma was the true STAR of the whole show
I know!, the show must be called "Emma Frost and the X-Men", she was amazing!
Quote from: Nowhere Man on March 13, 2009, 12:24AM
agreed!
I liked the cartoon a lot...as for it being too stylized, I agree, though it still looks good. I just don't like that ridiculous haircut for Nightcrawler. Wanda and Polaris look great!
Storm is kinda weird...her hair is too big and her nose is odd too. Personality-wise, she's too weak. Will there ever be another (apart from tas) x-toon that makes her justice?
I liked Kitty's and Bobby's costumes.
And, of course, too much Wolverine. Can't stand him anymore. There's a Brazilian blog that counts how many times Logan appears on comics covers everymonth and it's just getting ridiculous. I remember when a kinda liked him.
Other than that....I think this cartoon is very cool. Better than X-Ev.
Agreed
Nightcrawler could be look better than that, Lorna and Wanda, just AMAZING especially Wanda, Storm's hair was to big, lol, she look better with her look when she was in Africa.
Some details...
Wolverine... too much of him... again O_o nothing personal, Wolvie is cool, but come on, leader of the x-men? and Cyke and Emma?
Ok Cyke was crying like a baby for Jean, who was the lady who everyone has to rescue... again, why?, Jean again has the lowest profile in a show, but ok that was the big door for Emma's time to shine so I'm happy of that :)
Anyway, good show, glad that are a second season in production.
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Quote from: warmachine300 on March 13, 2009, 08:52PM
You must be crazy.
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- Be kind to other users and Don't be rude.
You all know what's rude and what's not. We're all adult enough for that.
Respect! If you don't agree, that's cool, but don't call people crazy just because you disagree.
and sorry no matter how hard you try you will never convince me (and i have a feeling a couple of other people on this board), that anything X-Men Evolution is better than X-Men TAS. X-Men TAS Storm was the closest to the comics Storm than any of the other cartoon versions.
Anyways, don't be rude and stay on topic.
well, I watched TAS in portuguese and her voice was great, plus, the actress didn't overact. Maybe ZOS, Sasquatch and xlehnsherr can back me up on this. I have watched some parts of tas in english and I agree her voice isn't very good.
you could say that she was a bit too melodramatic when she summoned the elements and stuff, but her personality, screentime, leadership skills, conflits and so were the closest to the comics.
in X-Ev she was not the Storm I know, she was "aunt Ororo".
and nodoubt_jr is right...don't be rude!
She was still Aunt Ororo to Mijinari in TAS so I don't understand that comment. Well it wasn't my intention to be rude to you Nowhere man. So apologies. However we'll just agree to disagree. Its not just her voice which is wrong. Its a combination of many things that just didn't make sense. For the most part it was the script,continuity errors and censorship that ruined the show. As for her combat skills, she didn't seem to have any. Neither of them did. For all that training in the danger room I couldn't see how it was paying off. or There were some stand out moments and great episodes but by cartoon standards it was pretty average. Anyways, back to Wolverine and the X-Men, Season 1 ended very nicely so season 2 should be stronger. More screen time needs to be given to the other characters on the show. And Emma Frost must return!
don't worry about it, I didn't take offense. And I've already accepted the fact that the two of us never agree on anything =P. Perhaps when can at least agree to disagree.
well, there was only one episode with Mijnari and even there she wasn't "aunt Ororo". She was the main character of that episode. Unlike Evolution, where she was the supporting character for the others, specially Spike.
And in TAS she had great skills, like when she destroyed 2 sentinels with one lightning, or when she flooded Genosha, or when she sent 3 sentinels to oblivion with a hurricane, or shen she beat Callysto without using her powers, or when all the X-Men couldn't stop her when she stopped restraining herself in the Savage Land, or when all the X-Men were fighting the brotherhood and she just disposed them with a tornado so they could go after Mystique, or when she threw an entire building over Juggernaut. In TAS she was so powerful!
I remember that in Ev. when I thought I was finally going to see storm kick ass in the first epidose with the sentinel...she started walking all powerfull with a twister around her and all she did was barely damage the sentinels arm. The only time she was really powerful was in the last episode when apocalypse was controling her.
Having mastery over your powers isn't the same as having great combat skills. I was mainly talking about how alert & tactical she was. However, you mentioned some interesting moments so let me address them: The Savage Land was down to Sauron & Garrok not her. The fight with Callysto was another example of censorship and bad choreography. In between the battle she was kind enough to take her eyes off Callysto, look down at the floor, stay silent while Callysto insults her. And to make matters worse, she responds by 'growling' at her.
And yes I remember that episode (A Rogue's Tale) when she disposed of the Brotherhood by hurricane but she also damaged public property with no remorse. And to make matters even worse, in 'Unstoppable Juggernaut'(which you just mentioned) she picked up a whole building by hurricane and dropped it right onto Juggernauts head. How many innocent people must have died due to that insensitive action? Showing yet again, a lack of remorse or responsibilty. That's not very Storm-like to me. Or don't tell me the building was abandoned. if so how did she know? Then Jubilee runs straight up to Storm with a haste of excititment saying the words "You Killed Him" Now, If he died would that really be cause for celebration? In'Deadly Reunions' after Magneto took out Rogue & Cyclops, she was looking straight at him doing nothing which allowed him to blast her in the back. So again, where is this danger room training paying off?
The sentinels were far too easy to destroy in TAS. For a goverment funded project you would assume that a lot of time and effort went into making the sentinels. And to see them destroyed in one attack by a lightning bolt or one kinetically charged card is laughable. The Sentinels in WAX & XEV were spot on. They were made to be tough and not pushovers.
And whether your in a leading role or a supporting one, you should never insult the intelligence of your audience members and that's what I felt XTAS Storm and the cast and crew did on multiple occasions.
I could go on but hey....life is too short.
But yeah your right. we do agree to disagree. Its nice to have a debate from time to time though. One thing I did agree with you on though is Storms hair and nose in WAX it does looks weird.
well, at least one thing =P
well, you can't blame the cartoon for it's heavy censorship, they couldn't even use real weapons or guns back then, that's why Storm and Callisto had a lightsaber fight =P. But she did defeat Callisto, whose only powers are physical, just as she did in the comics. I believe public property comes second to the other x-men's lifes, so she would have done the right thing, considering that mystique was after rogue and they had to hurry, plus she didn't break that many things. When she threw a building on Juggernaut is was clearly abandoned, in fact, it was condemned. And she didn't nor would have celebrated Jug's death, she only did that cause she knew it wouldn't kill him, Jubilee's jubilation was kid stuff, and she answered that statement saying that nothing they knew could kill him. Oh, and remember Jubilee saying something like "if I can beat Sauron, Storm will be easy" just to be knocked out or her pteranodon the next second. The final fight was between Garokk and Sauron, but Garokk only became powerful because of Storm and Sauron only became powerful cause he touched Garokk, so she was the source of power for all that conflict.
You also have to think that TAS was made when cartoons and even comics were supposed to be for kids, so they didn't worry that much about realism or choreography. Back when it was made it was considered very good. They weren't insulting the audience's intelligence, cause they were supposed to be kids, not the 20 and 30 something people that watch these cartoons as well nowadays. You are also undermining how important this cartoon was to change that scenario cause even though they coudn't put much violence, they did have awfuly mature stories and theme for cartoons at the time. If today people can put more realistic violence in cartoons such as XEV and WAX it is in great part due to TAS!
I do enjoy our debates! It's always cool to find someone who has different opinions than yours, cause after these debates, both sides come out with more intellectual baggage than before. So, they help me stay sharp =P.
But enough of this, this topic is about WAX, if you want continue this debate, let's open another topic.
Nah, I'm over it lol. But yeah debating is fun. Back on to WAX, what episodes were among your favorites? I just learnt that the BBC have been editing episodes and cutting them short which is a great shame. I'm going to have to look for all the Canadian episodes to see them fully uncut.
How did they cut the episodes short?
blah blah blah Nowhere Man and warmachine300, get back on topic, last warning and next time just pm each other. And Nowhere Man :thumbsup:
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 14, 2009, 12:15PM
Nah, I'm over it lol. But yeah debating is fun. Back on to WAX, what episodes were among your favorites? I just learnt that the BBC have been editing episodes and cutting them short which is a great shame. I'm going to have to look for all the Canadian episodes to see them fully uncut.
They are editing episodes?? Wow, that's really bad, but answering your question, I love the ep 4. when Emma battles the Shadow King, and the ep. when they rescue nitro from the brotherhood (Emma kicking Psylocke a**, was awesome, nothing personal against Betsy, just I loved how Emma teach her a lesson), I like the episodes when Scarlet Witch appear, and the 3 final episodes, especcially when Scott and Emma rescue Jean (the end not my fav. but was a good episode).
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yeah, here in Brazil the voices turned out terrible, both TAS and XEV voices were a lot better. I only watched 7 episodes so far, the first 3, the one with shadow king, when Kurt and Wanda go to Mojoworld, when Angel becomes Archangel and the one where Gambit seduces Polaris. My favourite was the one with Gambit. Wanda was great in that episode! Loved when Gambit said something like "her father's powers and her sisters temper" regarding Polaris.
Quote from: Nowhere Man on March 14, 2009, 12:31PM
yeah, here in Brazil the voices turned out terrible, both TAS and XEV voices were a lot better. I only watched 7 episodes so far, the first 3, the one with shadow king, when Kurt and Wanda go to Mojoworld, when Angel becomes Archangel and the one where Gambit seduces Polaris. My favourite was the one with Gambit. Wanda was great in that episode! Loved when Gambit said something like "her father's powers and her sisters temper" regarding Polaris.
Well here in Mexico the voices sounds good, Cyke and Storm not so good, but Emma, Wolverine, Kitty and Scarlet witch sound like I imagine they should sound at least in spanish, lol :)
Yes that episode when Gambit seduces Polaris was really good, he was so charming lol, and Polaris, oh my dear Lorna, so innocent, yeah Wanda was amazing in that episode.
Is there an option in the forum to put spoilers in the comments??? As I told here in Mexico the show has ended, so I don't wanna say something that reveal details that another person don't wanna know ^_^
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Wanda, Emma, Iceman and Shadowcat all sounded exactly how I thought they would and should.
About that thing about the BBC supposedly cutting things out, are you sure it wasn't just because the BBC doesn't have commercial breaks. This would make it seem a lot shorter than it actually is.
i seriously need to catch up on this cartoon, it sounds really good
It is good. I really enjoyed it. The next season looks interesting.
I liked the first season, it was great and everything. I think the next one will be cool too, because one of my favorite enemies are Mr. Sinister and En Sabah Nur (Apocalypse).
nodoubt_jr what are you talking about? We were on topic. We were comparing WAX to its predecessors. And this thread is about WAX. Anyway, if you had read my last post b4 you posted yours you'd had seen nowhere man and I already closed our debate.
Now back on track. To Dihan and others. I'm 100% sure they cut the episodes and got it confirmed from another web site. They've made lots of cuts. Hers a few I remember. During 'Battle Lines' there was a scene where Quicksilver broke Emma's nose which I never saw on the BBC version. Another cut I found was in the final episode where Emma was tied up by Jean, Wolverine comes by and she begs for his help. On the Spanish version Wolverine put his claws up to Emma's throat, that claw scene was missing. Also cuts were made during 'Breakdown' when the X-Men were battling Juggernaut and in 'Guardian Angel' where Wolverine was fighting Arcangel. There are many cuts that I'm still finding as we speak.
You can view alot of the cuts by watching the Spanish version of the show. Though I can't understand spanish, you can see it visually for yourself. If I find anymore, I'll let you know. I'll post up the Spanish link in a little while.
I remember the scene where Quicksilver breaks Emma's nose.
Anyway, it's just typical BBC censorship. I personally wouldn't have put it on the CBBC channel.
Its is indeed. But censoring a kids show when its already censored is a big shame. I agree with you as well about CBBC not being the right channel. Maybe we'll get a better channel next year for season 2.
But yeah, Whiteking. Episode 4 is one of my personal favorites. I love that fight between Emma and the Shadow King. Others ones for me would have to be 'Backlash', 'Guardian Angel and 'Shade Of Grey. Nothing against Wolverine but I enjoyed the episodes where he had less screen time. Almost forgot Emma taking out Psylocke with just TWO attacks in 'Time Bomb' that was CLASSIC!
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 14, 2009, 04:46PM
Now back on track. To Dihan and others. I'm 100% sure they cut the episodes and got it confirmed from another web site. They've made lots of cuts. Hers a few I remember. During 'Battle Lines' there was a scene where Quicksilver broke Emma's nose which I never saw on the BBC version. Another cut I found was in the final episode where Emma was tied up by Jean, Wolverine comes by and she begs for his help. On the Spanish version Wolverine put his claws up to Emma's throat, that claw scene was missing. Also cuts were made during 'Breakdown' when the X-Men were battling Juggernaut and in 'Guardian Angel' where Wolverine was fighting Arcangel. There are many cuts that I'm still finding as we speak.
I remember 2 of those scenes, Quiscksilver and the brotherhood attack the xmen and the first to be knocked out was Emma (knocking out the telepaths is always the best tactic ^_^) and when Emma awoke she said that Quicksilver brokes her nose.
Emma was tied by Jean when she discover something about her...(and Scott)... and then when Wolverine appear she ask him for help but him put his claws on her throat.
I don't remember the other two scenes O_o
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 14, 2009, 05:02PM
Maybe we'll get a better channel next year for season 2.
Or wait the DVD release (or Blu-Ray or whatever format they're planing to use)and enjoy the first season with all the scenes and hope you can see the season 2 complete next time:)
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 14, 2009, 05:02PM
Nothing against Wolverine but I enjoyed the episodes where he had less screen time. Almost forgot Emma taking out Psylocke with just TWO attacks in 'Time Bomb' that was CLASSIC!
I know, all the episodes involving Wolverine's past was so boring (weapon x, hulk, silver samurai) the same history in every cartoon, movie and everything of the x men, and yes, Emma was amazing in 'Time Bomb' her battle with Psylocke was so easy, I mean Betsy never had a chance!!! Epic :)
:emmafrost:
Yeah I'm gonna buy the dvd too. I have a feeling they are going to do the same thing they did with the 90's cartoon & the Evolution DVD'S and just release 4 episodes at a time and call it Volume 1 or something. I really hope not. I would much prefer they just release the entire season 1 in one box set.
They did it with Doctor Who, so I assume they'll do it with this. I'll be waiting for the box set.
thank god brazillians don't give a fu*k about censorship =D
well i think there is a chance emma might return.
because remember when esme shot her and jean put
her diamond pieces back together :]
Quote from: xxoldlacexx on March 22, 2009, 05:11PM
well i think there is a chance emma might return.
because remember when esme shot her and jean put
her diamond pieces back together :]
I really hope that (Crossing fingers) :)
:emmafrost:
"Emma Frost and the X-Men", she was amazing!
Whiteking your right :]
I'm sure Emma will be back :)
She was done really good in the show.
Does anyone know when the second season will air?
Did they even make any episodes from the second season?
Quote from: TheStorm on March 23, 2009, 06:14AM
I'm sure Emma will be back :)
She was done really good in the show.
Does anyone know when the second season will air?
Did they even make any episodes from the second season?
Yeah, she was the whole star in the show :)
Acording to wikipedia the second season is in post production, they cited the next page:
http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=123
And there's no date for the release of the second seanson, but I imagine that in Latin America we will be the first to see the show again (just for continuity, here the series ended about 2 or 3 months ago) :)
:emmafrost:
Hey guys here in Mexico the DVD was released short time ago in a pack with 5 dvds, it appear that is the compleate season. Damn I need monney for this :)
Picture taken form a magazine, sorry for the quality :(
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2637/foto0084.jpg)
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Why they put rogue in the cover she was such a pain!!! I really hated this rogue. Shadowcat also seem annoying and jean didn't seem right at all. I hope she gets better in season two maybe knew hair look? More of a 90s personality? Stolen marvel girl powers? Wheres nightcrawler or angel, iceman? I think the cartoon was a bit too childish for me.
btw: emma and nightcrawler were awesome!!
I love scarletwitch so much.......She's powerful witch.
In episode 26...Was Emma Frost dead? and How about Profx and polaris in 20th future after their fight with mastermold?.......I'm so sorry..if Emma was Dead..
Xavier is alive, but the future had changed so it's likely if the character is alive during the Age of Apocalypse then they'll be alive in this new future.
Emma Frost is "dead", but she'll probably come back as she's alive during AoA. Emma in AoA never joined the Hellfire Club, and to protect herself from Apocalypse's vendetta against telepaths, she had her telepathic powers removed and she joined the Human High Council.
Matermold was destroyed by X-MEN yet? Will be season 2 ? Emma will have no telepath power?...in seasons 1 if she didn't turn herself to diamond she wouldn't be died..Yes?
What's about Magneto and Quicksilver? I want to know What degree of Scarletwitch power? Is it stronger than Magneto?
Quote from: Wandagore on March 30, 2009, 08:33PM
Matermold was destroyed by X-MEN yet? Will be season 2 ? Emma will have no telepath power?...in seasons 1 if she didn't turn herself to diamond she wouldn't be died..Yes?
What's about Magneto and Quicksilver? I want to know What degree of Scarletwitch power? Is it stronger than Magneto?
1.- Mastermold was destroyed in the first season, at least they hinted that.
2.- If they based the second season in the age of apocalypse comic, yes, Emma should be alive and with no powers.
3.- If she didn't turned herself into diamond, the Phoenix would consume her anyway, but as we see in the New Xmen comic (Grant Morrison), even if her diamond form is exploted, she should survive, so maybe she's still alive.
4.- Magneto and Quicksilver?, we don't know, maybe in the second seanson we'll have the answer.
5.- I don't know how powerfull is the Scarlet Witch , but if she was able to change the reality of all the world in a massive scale (House of M), I think she should be stronger than Magneto.
:emmafrost:
Quote from: whiteking on March 31, 2009, 06:28AM
1.- Mastermold was destroyed in the first season, at least they hinted that.
2.- If they based the second season in the age of apocalypse comic, yes, Emma should be alive and with no powers.
3.- If she didn't turned herself into diamond, the Phoenix would consume her anyway, but as we see in the New Xmen comic (Grant Morrison), even if her diamond form is exploted, she should survive, so maybe she's still alive.
4.- Magneto and Quicksilver?, we don't know, maybe in the second seanson we'll have the answer.
5.- I don't know how powerfull is the Scarlet Witch , but if she was able to change the reality of all the world in a massive scale (House of M), I think she should be stronger than Magneto.
:emmafrost:
Well, if you ask me, there is a chance, that Emma Frost is dead. Season two will be very strange, I mean, in the real AoA, Xavier is dead (and he was there) and Magneto was the founder of the X-men. And I don't get that Cyclops thing. I mean, in the real AoA, Cyclops was with Sinister and Apocalypse, since he was a kid, so why will he became evil? The whole season two will be full of changes, so I'm excited :D
Quote from: Wade Wilson on March 31, 2009, 09:49AM
Well, if you ask me, there is a chance, that Emma Frost is dead. Season two will be very strange, I mean, in the real AoA, Xavier is dead (and he was there) and Magneto was the founder of the X-men. And I don't get that Cyclops thing. I mean, in the real AoA, Cyclops was with Sinister and Apocalypse, since he was a kid, so why will he became evil? The whole season two will be full of changes, so I'm excited :D
I know, I only hope that Emma return to the second season, but it's true the second season is very strange :)
:emmafrost:
Quote from: whiteking on March 31, 2009, 01:28PM
I know, I only hope that Emma return to the second season, but it's true the second season is very strange :)
:emmafrost:
Emma is a great character, so I'm with you, WE hope Emma will return.
the ending that comes on on tv nightcrawler and shadowcat are cut off
well i dont actualy immagine her in the age of apoc future arc...
Well, she died in it. Me want Nightcrawler! Oh, and Deadpool!
I really don't have much of a care for Emma. For some reason I don't think she will be back as when she died in diamond form before Jean resurrected her. Emma didn't do it by herself and Jean doesn't seem to have much control over the Phoenix and the Phoenix is destroyed now.
Besides that I do hope Cyke will be happy that his love is back and become leader and Wolverine gets to be just like he used to. Storm needs to have more action and I'm just happy that Colossus is coming. He only appeared in one episode for Season 1.
Yeah, I missed Colossus.
I liked the cast they had in the show, and the actors who portrayed them (most of them). I did not like Gambit's actor though, his voice just doesn't sound right to me. I still think the TAS voice actor was the best Gambit. PERIOD. They really should've sought after him and got him on their cast, he is Gambit as far as I'm concerned. Nobody can replace him. Anyway:
Wolverine
Beast
Cyclops
Iceman
Shadowcat
Nightcrawler
Emma Frost
Rogue
Storm
Jean Grey
Colossus
I do hope next season Emma gets revived some how. I thought she was perfect in the show. I do hope Jean also is back with the team and plays a bigger part than just being lost and find bait. It would be great to have Colossus back with the team as well, and get Nightcrawler a bit more active too. I would also like to see Gambit on the team at some point as well. Even though I didn't like his voice, I liked that he showed a bit more creative use with his powers and using objects around him as weapons in addition to his cards. His character was pretty cool. I think with Emma back, Colossus active, and Gambit a part of the team, the roster would be perfect. I wouldn't mind seeing Betsy in as well, but she looked liked a wimp in season 1. Emma completely owned her. Which reminds me, isn't Betsy supposed to be immune to psychic attacks?
Anyway, overall I really enjoyed the show, I thought it had some good writing in it. However, the art style just wasn't my thing. I wish it were drawn a little different, but I was able to get over that after a while.
Oh, and for fuck's sake Scott Blum should put a little more emotion in to his voice acting for Wolverine. I thought he was pretty good for the XML and MUA series, but in the show he seems very monotone a lot of the time. With the exception of the occasional grunt like he has constipation, he sounds very plain. He didn't have the emotion in his voice like he did with the games or like the other voice actors did in the show. Just my opinion anyway.
She only has psychic immunity when she got tk which she doesn't have in the show. We know Colossus will be joining the X-Men. I think the roster would be perfect with the current, living members along with Colossus (he hasn't rejoined yet), Gambit, and Psylocke. I would say Polaris but I don't see her joining but if she did I would love it.
You just don't like Emma :P Rather than directly say you didn't want her in the roster, you went around it by saying the "living" members of the X-Men. It's ok, most Jean Grey fanboys don't like her. :rofl: But still, not 100% sure she's even dead. I'm sure they'll work something out and she will be back.
I don't think Polaris should join the X-Men. At least not yet. I'm interested in what is going to happen to Magneto and Genosha though. Since he is exhiled and Wanda is running it, I wonder how she is going to change without her father running things. I also think Quicksilver is stupid. His father is always tossing him aside, and yet for some reason he stays by Magneto, even when Magneto got exhiled. Just before that Magneto basically admitted he had no confidence in his son at all when Wanda said she was going to have no part in Magneto's plans and Quicksilver offered to round up the troops. He just says to get his sister to come to her senses. But anyway, yeah.
Emma should be back, she was the best character in that cartoon, even better than Wolverine, and that's hard since the show is about him.
I'm also glad that Jean is back, and as Mr. Rage i hope that the show her as a powerfull women and not only the bait who need to be recued.
Scott must be better than a crying baby. Storm needs more personality too. Another add to the cast? Dazzler, Psylocke and Gambit.
Quote from: Mr. Rage ^^ on October 14, 2009, 04:33PM
You just don't like Emma :P Rather than directly say you didn't want her in the roster, you went around it by saying the "living" members of the X-Men. It's ok, most Jean Grey fanboys don't like her. :rofl: But still, not 100% sure she's even dead. I'm sure they'll work something out and she will be back.
You have said it better than nobody! :)
Dazzler. Yeah she would be a nice inclusion in the series somehow, maybe not as a full time member though. The roster from last season (including the "full time" members who went awol for a while like Jean and Colossus) was already 11 people. That's kind of a big roster, and there won't be enough room to feature everyone all the time. However, the only thing I ask is NO Jubilee. I had my fill of her in TAS already. I absolutely do not like her whatsoever. She is a stupid and annoying character.
Unfortunately you are right, they never did a good job on her, she was mmm.... the pet!
EDIT: And also Rogue need to be far better than the current version in the cartoon. She's annoying. Where's the southern belle that we loved on TAS???
I've never tried to hide my dislike for Emma. I don't exactly hate her but she is close to hated. I do think if Scott and Emma were not together I would in fact like her. Honestly to me she was better as a villain. I cannot stand her as an x-man but I like her as a villain.
I don't think dazzler should join or at least not yet.
I do agree about quicksilver. He is an annoyance. Wanda is awesome though!
I don't like her being with Scott much either to be honest. I think he was better off with Jean. They were together since the land before time, and then they screw it all up and have him cheat on her and what not with Emma. I thought that was just retarded. Personally I thought he would've been better than that, but I guess it doesn't matter and no point disputing it since it already happened.
Dazzler would be nice as a cameo here and there, not a full time member. It would be nice to see her though. We saw her briefly for like 3 seconds in season 1 when she was putting on a show in Genosha, that was it.
I'm not sure if I like Polaris' sheltered from the world and completely innocent character. It makes her look too weak.
Agreed. I expected her and Wanda's roles switched due to Wanda's enormous power she could be unstable.
With Frost I cannot help but enjoy her in the 90s when she was still the White Queen. The moment she is with Scott and the rest of the X-Men I am truly disgusted by her. I do think the Hellfire Club was at it's best with her and Emma was at her best when she was the White Queen. In my opinion the X-Men is at it's worse right now with Emma and some other flop characters.
Well, not everythings perfect, but I think this cartoon series is much better then X-Men: Evolution :) (For me, that is)
Much better. Evolution was kind of... well it was made of fail.
Yeah Evolution wasn't that good.
Yeah. I like this one, it's just so great! I can't wait for the second season. BTW, any info about when it will be done or something?
I heard something a while back about them being in post production for it, but I can't remember where. Never saw a release date or anything. They still haven't even shown all of season 1 yet. At least not in the U.S. Last I checked Marvel's site was only up to like episode 7 or something, and I got tired of waiting so I just "found" it and watched the whole season in one shot.
I've downloaded all of the episodes. You can find them on megavideo.
Season 2 will be focused on AoA. At least, that's what I've read on a site, can't remember where XD
I've read that too :) I hope Deadpool will have his mask (sadly, in AoA, he doesn't have a mask, but I still hope :) )
Well yeah, I got that by the last episode :P However, I think it will be like the first season. Xavier will be giving the X-Men tips from the future "Age of Apocalypse", and the regular action will be in the present, i.e. trying to prevent that from happening. Just like the first season where the future was completely taken over by sentinels and focused on trying to prevent the "doomsday" from happening, the second will probably follow suit and try to prevent the rise of Apocalypse. As such, the season ending will probably result in a big confrontation between the X-Men and Apocalypse in the present, and at the same time in the future. I'm sure the X-Men will prevail, Charles will say "good job X-men you've prevented the rise of Apocalypse, but a new threat has emerged" thus leading to something else for season 3.
The season won't completely take place in the AoA, just showing flashes from Charles' experiences in the future and relaying it to the X-Men in the present, where they will be doing their thing as always to try to prevent the future. I believe that will make the most sense.
Quote from: Burning Rage on October 15, 2009, 01:20PM
Well yeah, I got that by the last episode :P However, I think it will be like the first season. Xavier will be giving the X-Men tips from the future "Age of Apocalypse", and the regular action will be in the present, i.e. trying to prevent that from happening. Just like the first season where the future was completely taken over by sentinels and focused on trying to prevent the "doomsday" from happening, the second will probably follow suit and try to prevent the rise of Apocalypse. As such, the season ending will probably result in a big confrontation between the X-Men and Apocalypse in the present, and at the same time in the future. I'm sure the X-Men will prevail, Charles will say "good job X-men you've prevented the rise of Apocalypse, but a new threat has emerged" thus leading to something else for season 3.
Exactly what I was thinking
do you guys think we should expect to see Legion? after all, he's the one who started the whole AoA reality.
I still havent watched this past the Spiral/Nightcrawler/Pixie episode, i feel like a bad X-Men fan :( . Im guessing it gets better after this, cause so far i like that its updated but it didnt really capture my attention.
Quote from: Nowhere Man on October 15, 2009, 01:27PM
do you guys think we should expect to see Legion? after all, he's the one who started the whole AoA reality.
I'm not sure. He originally started the AoA reality by killing Charles. In the show, he is alive in both the present and future. So if he is there, he would have to play a different role in the storyline than killing Charles. I'm also not sure that Magneto would really take over the X-Men.
I don't see Magneto and Legion having much to do with AOA. Most likely just Sinister used the Grey-Summer Bloodline to help get Apocalypse in power somehow.
Well, this is what I think aswell.
Can't wait to see, when Sinister betrays Apocalypse, as usual :D
nice cartoon
I wonder when will they finish with season 2.
I really enjoyed this series. My son and I watch it together :) I can't wait for season 2 to come out.
At first, I didn't really like the series. But after a while, it started to grow on me and now I can't wait for the next season :)
I just started watching this series in order and through the first five episodes I'm enjoying it very much. As someone approaching 40 I just can't get into a series like X-men Evolution. I like the lineup and the art style and the stories are well written.
Is the young mutant that Wolverine catches with the collar Magma? I don't remember hearing a name during the epsisode but she resembles the character you save in the intro levels of X-men Legends.
Yes she is Magma.
I like this cartoons, their powers are very realistic comparative with other x men cartoons series
The episodes I have seen so far have been great! Although sometimes you can get fed up with Wolverine, the other characters sure are nicely and faithfully portraited.
Yeah sometimes Wolvie gets too much spotlight. I prefer Cyke as leader. I'm suprised though that Wolvie shows no want to find Jean when he clearly had feelings for her in the flashback. I really like Rogue and Kitty in the show. I'm glad that next season we will have Jean and Colossus.
I really like this cartoon, despite being too much focused on Wolverine
CooL :strange:
he seguido la serie algun tiempo y no me ha parecido una gran cosa. Prefiero la serie animada que daban en un canal por los años 94 y estaba genial!
Saludos
A flawed first season, but with potential. Out of the X-Men shown, I feel only Emma was portrayed well. :emmafrost:
I heard that season 2 was cancelled. I didn't see the link but the people on the Shades of Grey forum said that. I believe there is a link there.
It appears that it's true.
http://marvel.toonzone.net/news.php?action=fullnews&id=518
QuoteIn further recent Marvel Animation news, a second season of the acclaimed Wolverine and The X-Men animated series will not be happening for reasons that have not yet been publically/publicly disclosed. Marvel Animation Age confirms the recent report that Wolverine and The X-Men will not returning for a second season, although Marvel Animation has not yet made any official announcements on the series coming to a close.
Mmmm we'll see...
Quote from: Pentasaurus on April 16, 2010, 03:11PM
A flawed first season, but with potential. Out of the X-Men shown, I feel only Emma was portrayed well. :emmafrost:
Are you kidding me? come on, you had:
- Scott "I'm a crying baby" Summers aka Cyclops
- Ororo"I'm unable to do something usefull" Munroe aka Storm
- Anna Marie "Give me my candy or I'll be mad at you" aka Rogue
- Jean "I'll always be killed or ignored but never well represented" Grey aka Phoenix
- And the others lol
....a whole team of secondary... I mean suport characters :D
Hahah seriously, I have to agree, Emma was the only character strong enough to kick Wolverine's ass and steal the spotlight from him... Iceman wasn't that bad too, same with Beast.
I want a second season but I want that this time they understand each character and his/her personality and do a much better job....
i am so looking foward to second season and age of apoc
The second season has been cancelled.
Quote from: MarvelFan12345 on April 17, 2010, 01:36PM
The second season has been cancelled.
That really sucks, i still havent watched the full first season but so far everything was pretty good.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-marvel-animation-100417.html
"Fan asks about Wolverine and the X-Men Season Two. They have "unfortunate news". They were unable to work out the financing for the show with their financing partner, and will not be moving forward. "
but...[sniff]...deadpool was gonna be in the second season [eyes brimming with tears].
very good, I only want to see
really!!! XD sux a LOT
watched the first season and loved it. Was looking forward
to second and deadpool would have been awesome feature
to it .... *sigh* ...
Quote from: MarvelFan12345 on April 17, 2010, 01:36PM
The second season has been cancelled.
why was it cancelled?
Beacuse they couldnt work out financial issues with their financier thats what wikipedia says at least...
My Avatar is from the facebook page trying to save the show, they have a couple thousand people signed up already. Man i hope Marvel doesnt kill the show.
FACEBOOK- 5,000 to save WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN
Can you post me a link to that Facebook stuff, please?
If they cancel it, I'mma cry. Though I have to get onions first :P
Actually liked the cartoon. Still eager to see more seasons.
Me too. Seriously, it started to become really interesting.
What a pity if they cancel it, I was really looking forward to watch it =/
It's already been cancelled
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-marvel-animation-100417.html
"Fan asks about Wolverine and the X-Men Season Two. They have "unfortunate news". They were unable to work out the financing for the show with their financing partner, and will not be moving forward. "
A petition wont really help, if people want to save it they are going to have to race money for the financing :D
the financing partner should fire some personnel just for the show's financing :P (sorry if I offend anyone it's just a joke, geesh :P)
I liked the first season too...hope they change their mind and make some more... ;D ...I was wondering...which series did you like more, this or x-men evolution?
This one. Evolution lacked a lot of proper action, which this one has in only one season lol.
This one for sure!
in this one I don't like Storm's hair...it looks :eek: ...but I like the others :D
Quotein this one I don't like Storm's hair...it looks ...but I like the others
i think that too.... it's ugly
Quote from: ndp on April 28, 2010, 05:10PM
My Avatar is from the facebook page trying to save the show, they have a couple thousand people signed up already. Man i hope Marvel doesnt kill the show.
FACEBOOK- 5,000 to save WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN
Yeah i joined that group last month! I was bummed when this show was cancelled. It was a pretty good show, not exactly great (not yet anyway cos it was just season 1) but it's one of the few or probably the only X-MEN show that has been on these days. I gotta say, I miss the days when creators were busy about X-men. But, the coming movies are something to look forward to!
:wolverine:......i cant believe they cancelled this show.......perfectly good cliffhanger gone to waste....:(
CANCELLED!? no arent they making a season 2 where colosuss magik and some really cool characters come in search it in google
Quote from: nodoubt_jr on April 29, 2010, 04:26PM
It's already been cancelled
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-2010-marvel-animation-100417.html
"Fan asks about Wolverine and the X-Men Season Two. They have "unfortunate news". They were unable to work out the financing for the show with their financing partner, and will not be moving forward. "
Damn!! that is unfortunate
oh no... just one season it's too bad
cancell this show is a huge mistake
The 1990's X-Men series is still the best one by leaps and bounds. Evolution was good, this series was okay - but five seasons of the 90's series is proof in and of itself it was the best.
I think it is because X-men TAS (1990's) was released on the era where the fans of the comic from when it was released were still alive or still had interest with X-men.
Evolution was good but it was released a decade after, and then there's Wolverine and the X-men released 8 or less years after evolution. With the number of cartoon shows on the rise in this century, it is hard to keep the fans interested especially if not a lot buys or knows the comic too well like in the 90's. Noting too that X-men was originally released in the 70's that's 40 years after (counting 2010).
What worries me is that the number of fans seem(I may be wrong) to be depleting decade by decade, but still x-men is the best thing there is out there! I've only been a fan since 1996 sadly. And it sucks that there are funding issues, cant they realise X-men is a symbol of generations and generations of undying legacy! For something to last this long means that it deserves credit. If naruto can survive, why can't a comic thats been alive way before our parents even married. Gladly, there are movies (which hopefully hollywood wont butcher) coming.
NOOOOO!!!!! I just found out they cancelled Spectacular Spider-man too..... WHY MARVEL WHY!? :pyro: :punisher_logo: