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As other characters who are in have threads I decided she should have one too. Right now a poll of Jean to see what costumes people would like her to have. I'm guessing we get 6 costumes so you can pick 6. Feel free to talk about anything of Jean in MUAII and maybe power ideas and apperances and stuff.
Below pics of a brilliant Jean!!
(http://blog.newsok.com/nerdage/files/2009/07/jean.jpg)
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/images/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035820175.html;jsessionid=7si4sn2m0o385
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/images/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035816894.html
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14233938/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/images/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-20090721035813441.html?page=mediaFull
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimateallianceiifusion/images/0/19/?tag=thumbs_below;thumb;19

Known Powers
Telekinetic Grab (A modified basic Tk)
Telekinetic Slam (Lifts enemies up in the air and slams them down)
Phoenix Burst (fires a blast of energy that casts enemies on fire)
? Telepathic Move (Implied to be mental bolts that stun as this is said to be what her telepathy does on her character bio)

And some gameplay videos
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_jeangrey_72109.htmljsessionid=2mocrxufxaj1q

http://comic-con.gamespot.com/video/6213946/

A Q and A about her
http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/en/news_comments/developer_qa_on_the_making_of_jean_grey/

And some articles mentioning her
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/100/1006050p1.html
http://www.newsarama.com/games/070923-MUA2New.html

3D Screenshot

Jean Grey and Deadpool - Main Site

:phoenix:

I thought there were only going to be four attack powers and two boost powers in MUA2... At least that's what the devs have said.

Quote from: Dihan on July 20, 2009, 02:24AM
I thought there were only going to be four attack powers and two boost powers in MUA2... At least that's what the devs have said.

Yeah, thats what I was thinking when first reading this but it could just that Marvelfan would like that 4 powers and 2 boosts to be a mixture of those in the list.

I certainly hope they'd put at least some of those great power ideas marvelfan12345 came up with... It sucks that they put only four powers.

Quote from: Dihan on July 20, 2009, 02:24AM
I thought there were only going to be four attack powers and two boost powers in MUA2... At least that's what the devs have said.

I heard that but this was one I made before that was announced. And thanks Phoenix. Hopefullty like Dihan said four powers and two boosts. If boosts are in four powers I won't be very happy.

I don't want to be a partypooper (or what), but when did they really announce Jean? I mean, yeah, she is on that picture, but many other characters are in videos and everything, so maybe she will be a DLC or something (tell me if I'm wrong).

Yeah but on the back she is like the biggest character on their. Everyone else is playable and they wouldn't put an NPC their. And if she was DLC she wouldn't be on right now. They wouldn't work on  DLC when the game is still not finished. And she is the most wanted character for the game are on of them and they said they will include fan favs like Deadpool and Gambit so this really means she is in.

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 20, 2009, 10:24AM
Yeah but on the back she is like the biggest character on their. Everyone else is playable and they wouldn't put an NPC their. And if she was DLC she wouldn't be on right now. They wouldn't work on  DLC when the game is still not finished. And she is the most wanted character for the game are on of them and they said they will include fan favs like Deadpool and Gambit so this really means she is in.

Well, OK I accept this answer, but I wait with this, until they announce her officially.

Quote from: Dihan on July 20, 2009, 02:24AM
I thought there were only going to be four attack powers and two boost powers in MUA2... At least that's what the devs have said.

damn only four attacks? that sucks, cant they take the time to do a fifth one.

I know that is so annoying. I think they will add two boosts so technically 6 attacks.

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 20, 2009, 12:33PM
I know that is so annoying. I think they will add two boosts so technically 6 attacks.

i dont consider boost as "attacks" so its still four for me :)

as for customes, i really want her to have her New X-Men, Marvel Girl and 90's customes.

Yeah those are some of her most known costumes.

Anyway the guy who said he knew Jean would be in before she was leaked says she will be confirmed along with Gambit and a secret character (Psylocke) at the SDCC. He also says she will be shown in a trailer using some awesome moves and will look beautiful. He also says that if you use the unlock code Jean will only use psychic powers. At the time when she is supposed to be unlocked she will gain Phoenix powers. Kind of confusing I know. Whether this is fake or not I don't know but I believe him when he says Psylocke is in so I decided to post this here.

Also as Jean and Cyclops are soulmates I might as well add that he also says Cyke is in the game I hope he is but I doubt he will make it if Psylocke is in.

Wow triple post.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9392/mua2.png

Anyway an image showing Gambit and Jean at comic-con. I so wish Jean was on the game's cover. She looks really good. Also near Venom doesn't it look like Penance is in the game,

Wooowwwww, I'm so happy Jean's in :D

I hope she's gonna be better than XML2 Jean :P :)

Brilliant. So long as she has NO Phoenix powers. I'll be happy. If they give her Phoenix powers then I won't be using her. The four power they should put in are:

Telekenisis
Mulitiple telekeniss (affects multiple enemies
Psychic Wave (but this one lowers the damage output the enemies have, if they are mutants. theres a chance to switch off their powers for a time and force them to melee)
Psychic homing spike-just a homing projectile

boost attacks:
telekenitic shield
calming pressence

x-treme-Phoenix force (high chance to convert enemies

Attacks like mind control, confusion wipes, convertions and Psychic Blasts, I'll save for Emma Frost if she makes it in the game.

If she doesn't have Phoenix powers then this is my list

Telekinesis - at higher levels she can lift multiple enemies (no point in making that a seperate power if you ask me)

Psychic Wave - a radial attack that causes mental pain on enemies and has a chance to make enemy faint, convert onto the team, or be stunned

Mental Blast - fires a mental blast that causes mental damage and can harm enemies near the main victim

Telekinetic Force - slams all enemies away from her with them getting physical damage

Boosts

Telekinetic Shield - a shield that deflects projectiles and blocks melee damage

Telepathic Link - creates a psychic link between herself and her teammates increasing defense and dodging (wouldn't use it that much but I prefer it over all her XMLII boosts.)

X-Treme

Phoenix Force - lifts enemies up in the air and slams them down while releasing a fiery blast consuming all (the Phoenix causes destruction not converting enemies to their team if you ask me)

If she has Phoenix powers then I would take out Mental Blast and replace it with the Phoenix Rage power from the Dark Phoenix mod. And then her extreme should have be the White Phoenix extreme idea I had in the first post. Also her Telekinetic Slam would involve her levitating in the air slamming enemies away from her with fiery effects and the Phoenix Raptor behind her.

I honestly don't see why you wouldn't use Jean just if she may have the Phoenix even if you really hate it. I believe all characters deserve a playthrough. Also then just don't use her Phoenix powers and use her psychic ones. I hope she has Phoenix powers cuz the Phoenix is part of her and has always been a big part of her life. My opinions anyway.

I'll answer that question. First reason is more personal,because to me:

That's not the Jean i remember and fell in love with. Since the movies and the Phoenix storyline saga's that's all people want to associate Jean with. Which is a shame because she was such a lovely character b4 that and then after it too around the mid-ninties period. She don't need the Phoenix BS too be interesting but unfortunately thats the trap that everyone seems to have fallen into when marketing Jean nowadays i.e proven recently in the Wolverine & X-Men cartoon. It's really annoying. So playing her would just remind me of just how much marvel has really messed up her character. So that's reason 1.

Reason 2 and MOST importantly.

There are only 4 power attacks. And there are so many things you could do with just her telepathy and Telekinesis alone. The Phoenix powers would be such a waste and powered down like they were in legend 2. Which is pointless. If Jean had Phoenix powers too, in reality she'd be too powerful for the game. For characters to work best they have to have their strengths and flaws. Now tell me what flaws would Jean have with those Phoenix powers at her disposal as well? If they put those powers in, they'll have to power her down like they did with her in legend 2 AND Silver Surfer in MUA and that for me doesn't really work. In reality, with those phoenix powers, why do you even need a team? you could just go through the game using Jean alone.

There's a reason why alot of people prefer Jean in X-Men legends 1 than they do in legends 2. She had NO phoenix powers in legends 1 which allowed the programmers to really knuckle down and concentrate on the controlling and handling of Jean which made her excellent and one of the best characters. When they tried to be clever by adding the phoenix moves in legends 2 an essence of Jean was lost in my opinion. It didn't feel like her. Maybe it was the powering down of her moves or the programmers trying to find the right balance for her phoenix powers so she wouldn't overpower the rest of the team, I don't know. But something was missing.

Let her be her own character without the Phoenix influence.

That's my opnion

U have convinced me. I actually never knew you really liked Jean before this. I agree that her XML1 version was way better than her XMLII. But the Phoenix should be a extreme. The whole Phoenix thing has been around too long to simply delete or reboot so I say gave her a Phoenix attack for her extreme.

Looks like your wish won't come true.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_jeangrey_72109.htmljsessionid=2mocrxufxaj1q

Jean Grey gameplay trailer!!! She is awesome although I am a little dissapointed. Looks like she has fiery effects no pink psychic ones. Guess they want the current Phoenix Jean. Warmachine300 won't be happy. At least she has a tk shove power. And a move that burns enemies.

An article that mentions Jean. Looks like she is ok right now in gameplay. Hopefully he is wrong so that she can be way better than he says she is.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/100/1006050p1.html

EDIT: Added Jean pics to the main page as well as her video and article.

I love how she looks and that she has some new moves, im not really in love with those new moves, but at least she's seems to be different.

You got me completely wrong. I love Jean I just hate what she has become. I'll be happy if they had a Phoenix extreme. Infact I was expecting her extreme to be something like a Phoenix Force. I agree with you on that point. Its kinda like Jeans Trademark finishing move anyway. I'm happy shes in the game in all honesty. I just don't want  her Phoenix moves dominating her power attack moves. Remember, there's only FOUR and I'd much rather they use those FOUR attacks as mixture of telepathy and telekenetic moves. Thank god Gambit is in too. Now Pray for Emma Frost everyone. I wanna actually see her turn into her diamond form on this game and not just some pink ring display the used for her diamond form in legends 1. That was so tacky.

Jean looks awesome. I'm praying they give her a mid-ninties/Animated series costume too. That was always my favourite Jean look.

marvelfan12345 you must be jumping for joy!

Yeah... Jean's trailer was kinda boring... I just hope they didn't want to reveal much, so that's why, but... it didn't really get my hopes up

Quote from: warmachine300 on July 22, 2009, 09:31PM
marvelfan12345 you must be jumping for joy!

Yes I am. I really loved her trailer and her powers especially cuz her sash moves when she runs around.

Quote from: TheStorm on July 23, 2009, 06:48AM
Yeah... Jean's trailer was kinda boring... I just hope they didn't want to reveal much, so that's why, but... it didn't really get my hopes up

Maybe it looked boring, but at the actual gameplay, it will be cooler.

Yeah it will be. I love her tk radial attack and her fiery blast that casts enemies on fire. I think she will grow to be one of the best characters in the game.

EDIT: More pics of Jean in first post.

Ok anyway here is a quote from News Lad about Jean. Makes me feel better about her.

QuoteTo address your concerns:

StormSnake - 23 July 2009 11:02 AM
Fire-looking telekinesis? SERIOUSLY!!?


Not an accurate description. Jean Grey's powers cover a lot of ground. Yes, telekinesis is in there, yes, she has the capability to inflict fire damage, but that's kind of like saying "Juggernaut is big and punches" instead of "Juggernaut is an awesome unstoppable freight train who will ruin your world and toss you aside like a ragdoll..." It misses the entire point of how the character feels to play.  We'll be going into more detail with Jean's dev diary (going up soon), and I'll be writing some of my own impressions of Jean Grey up a little later, but my opinion of that article is that the author didn't play Jean Grey for very long (not his fault, it's a floor demo), and possibly he's not a fan of her playstyle (again, not his fault—people like different things). Gambit seemed much more his style. 

StormSnake - 23 July 2009 11:02 AM
News Lad, please tell us that Jean's amazing Phoenix costume isn't gonna go to waste.


It's not.  See above. 

StormSnake - 23 July 2009 11:02 AM
There's a rumor about her "transforming into Phoenix" at some point in the game?

Completely false. Jean Grey has the same number of powers and passives as other characters, and at no time does she "transform." Her powers are awesome but they are consistent.

News Lad has also said that so far Jean is his fav character to play as and he isn't biased as Jean isn't his fav Marvel character and he reads Iron Man more than X-Men.

Some info about Jean.

QuoteJean's popularity has definitely been something we've taken into account, though - she's probably one of the characters we've been asked about the most, and the one people have been most worried about not seeing in the game. Ironically, I don't think there was ever a chance she wouldn't be in, I believe she was one of the first characters we intended to include.

That is great to hear that we never had to worry as Jean was gonna be in from the beginning.

Some talk about Jean (really great news) and Gambit.

I'll post my personal gameplay summaries of Jean Grey and Gambit before the end of the day... Right now still working the 'day job' of bug hunting as well as providing coverage. 

After re-reading the dev blogs, the designers actually talk quite a lot about how these characters play. I don't want to step on their toes, so I'm going keep this pretty short: Basically, Jean's great fun, especially if you're a strategic player. When you deploy her powers correctly, she can completely turn a battle around and help a team to decimate the opposition. She's also got a particular knack for breaking lots of objects at once, which is great for causing strategic explosions and ferreting out collectibles. The one possible downside I can see: due to her popularity in the comics, a lot of people are going to want to slot in Jean immediately and just start unleashing her powers on anything that moves. On Normal difficulty or anything above it, they'll be in for a rough ride: yeah, they'll make a really cool mess and take out a number of foes in fun ways, but they'll probably expose Jean to too much enemy fire and get her health chewed down. But if you have the patience to hang back for a few seconds and watch the situation (or the skills to jump in while navigating through the ebb and flow of enemies), Jean is simply a monster on the battlefield. An advanced player will be able to figure this out pretty fast, for the average player (or someone just new to the game) it may take a few battles before they start really grasp what Jean can do.

Yep! my thought are with you buddy. and i do hope jean can repel projectiles through TK. but having her as playable makes the game perfect for me.

A developer Q and A for Jean Grey. It really has good reviews on her. Too bad they don't talk about her telepathy.

http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/en/news_comments/developer_qa_on_the_making_of_jean_grey/

Jean's gameplay video ^_^

http://comic-con.gamespot.com/video/6213946/

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 23, 2009, 04:48PM
A developer Q and A for Jean Grey. It really has good reviews on her. Too bad they don't talk about her telepathy.

http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/en/news_comments/developer_qa_on_the_making_of_jean_grey/

Maybe, because it seems that (after see the trailer and her gameplay) she only has telekinetic powers.

:emmafrost:

I hope she has some telepathic moves. I think she has one but they aren't talking about it yet as it will be a suprise. I mean telepathy is a big part of Jean. To me that is like only giving Sue force fields without invisibility or Storm with lightning but no other weather powers.

Ok found another video with Jean. It shows gameplay with Jean, Wolverine, Storm, and Deadpool. Plus you get to see Storm and Jean's fusion.

http://comic-con.gamespot.com/video/6213946/

Perhaps she has one, maybe a boost.
I know, but if she's only a telekinetic, it's because they probably will add another psychic character with telepathy as the main power. Emma Frost and Cable came to my mind in this moment. I don't count Psylocke since she's a full telekinetic now, but at this point all can be possible, so...

Jean/Storm fussion is the same that she has with Thor.

:emmafrost:

What exactly is Jean and Storm's fusion. Didn't get it completely. Also looks like she has some projectile power. What other powers did you see?

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 23, 2009, 05:11PM
What exactly is Jean and Storm's fusion. Didn't get it completely. Also looks like she has some projectile power. What other powers did you see?

Jean uses her telekinesis to "bond" a bunch of enemies and then Storm strikes them with a lighting bolt, same as Jean/Thor's fussion at the trailer.
I saw some kind of psychic (orange)beam at 0:14/0:16 (if it's a beam can count as telepathic, if it's a proyectile can count as TK, I think)
Almost inmediate I saw a telekintetic lift, she raises her hand and lift an oponent into the air and then slam into the floor at 0:18 before the machine explodes.
Obviously her slam with fiery effect
A some kind of charge move at 0:40 not sure if it's a boost or anything else.

That's all, I think, lol :)

:emmafrost:

I think she has these powers.

Some fiery beam (from video)

A fiery blast that casts enemies on fire (from gameplay trailer)

Her telekinesis (from photo)

One power where she causes tk knockback (video at 0:18 I think that is what you may have seen or I may have seen it wrong)

And a move where she pulls in enemies and objects before Storm zaps them all with lightning (fusion from video)

I think that move from :40 is a telekinetic shield blocking bullets

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 23, 2009, 05:34PM
I think that move from :40 is a telekinetic shield blocking bullets

That's make sense... mmm yup, maybe you are right, a tk shield that block bullets (and maybe another attacks)... I like it!

:emmafrost:

I think the projectile is a telekinetic power. I so wish she had a telepathic one. If she doesn't Emma or Psylocke may still have chances. I'm afraid that if Psylocke gets in she will have more tk and fightning skill moves than telepathy.

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 23, 2009, 05:41PM
I think the projectile is a telekinetic power. I so wish she had a telepathic one. If she doesn't Emma or Psylocke may still have chances.

I know, I'm crossing my fingers for miss Frost ^_^

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 23, 2009, 05:41PM
I'm afraid that if Psylocke gets in she will have more tk and fightning skill moves than telepathy.

And that's the same reason of why I don't count her as telepath along Emma or Cable.

:emmafrost:

OMG the gameplay is awesome! I can't wait to play it now ^_^

I kind of want Emma in the initial roster but I don't see her in. I doubt Cyclops will make it in or any other X-Men for that matter. I want Cyke, Spider-Woman, and Ms. Marvel.

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 23, 2009, 05:47PM
I kind of want Emma in the initial roster but I don't see her in. I doubt Cyclops will make it in or any other X-Men for that matter. I want Cyke, Spider-Woman, and Ms. Marvel.

Well my friend, hope is the last thing that we can lose, and you can prove it! lol
Ms Marvel is probably in, but Cycke and Spider woman, I doubt it. It's a shame because Spider Woman was an amazing character in the first MUA.

:emmafrost:

I was hoping for Moonstone but then Penance got in "growns...."

Wow. That's all I can say wow. That fusion was incredible. Just wish it would get out already

I thought the move at 0:40 was one of Ms.Marvels moves form the pervious game? the one where she builds up energy the releses it on the ground. it looks the same to me!

Quote from: haydnc95 on July 24, 2009, 07:07AM
I thought the move at 0:40 was one of Ms.Marvels moves form the pervious game? the one where she builds up energy the releses it on the ground. it looks the same to me!

I thought the same when I saw the move for the first time, but if you see carefully she lifts an oponent and then slams into the ground, maybe it's just a grab (like the grab smash in MUA1).

:emmafrost:

Guys take a look at what Storm does at 0:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdqCSR5RKQ

it looks a lot like what Jean does in the trailer...

Yeah Storm's power involves her pushing enemies back using wind. Also in the Dev's Blog about Jean on the main site they said she would have a power where she lifts enemies up and slams them on the ground so Whiteking is right.

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on July 24, 2009, 08:56AM
Yeah Storm's power involves her pushing enemies back using wind. Also in the Dev's Blog about Jean on the main site they said she would have a power where she lifts enemies up and slams them on the ground so Whiteking is right.

Haha, it seems that my vision is not so bad after all, lol, :D

:emmafrost:

I devs have said that that power is very destructive. Others have seen that in the video it atually causes things to explode. Also her four powers I think are the Telekinetic Lift and Slam (maybe exploding is part of it), Mental Blast (the projectile we saw), Telekinetic Knockback (like Storm's but I think more powerful or more destructive), and a Force Blast that burns enemies with fire. The devs have said that Jean's melee attacks will involve telekinesis and her grab will make her lift an enemy telekinetically. I think the tk we saw in a pic is part of a grab and I think that is a good idea cuz no EP loss, the power does as much damage as a grab would do, and we get four other powers too.

but if TK now is grab. then it's damage utput now is low... meaning we cant use it offensively

that's quite true.... but on the up side, it doesn't drain EP, as her TK in XML2 was really draining your EP fast.
But yeah, I can't imagine it being a grab, which means we can only use it from close and maybe won't be able to hold the enemy  more than 1 second.

exactly. but devs said that jean's melee attacks are somehow not close range. here...

"We made sure to factor in her telekinesis when designing her melee attacks, as well. For instance, instead of punching and grabbing with her fists, Jean doesn't actually make physical contact with enemies. Instead, when picking up an enemy for a throw, she'll telekinetically hoist them above her head."

or

Quote from: Nahymt on July 24, 2009, 06:13PM
that's quite true.... but on the up side, it doesn't drain EP, as her TK in XML2 was really draining your EP fast.
But yeah, I can't imagine it being a grab, which means we can only use it from close and maybe won't be able to hold the enemy  more than 1 second.

sigh why in the world are they taking that power off (just in case)

Somebody who has played her mentioned her basic regular to so there is still hope.

Guys does this look like the X3 movie costume to anyone? :P

:D

(http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/2023226/img/2023226.bmp) (http://www.picturepush.com/public/2023226)

Yeah.

gross.

it would be kind of cool if some of the characters in game that have appeared in movies had their movie customes. have they said how many skins characters will have?

Quote from: nodoubt_jr on July 25, 2009, 12:56PM
it would be kind of cool if some of the characters in game that have appeared in movies had their movie customes. have they said how many skins characters will have?

No, but they've said that Marvel specifically asked them not to use the movie looks:
When asked whether or not Marvel has made them change anything in their game, Schutt said that the company asked Vicarious Visions to avoid using movie-inspired character designs for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. For example, the Iron Man in the game will be based off the current comic version of Stark's suit rather than the version seen in the popular film (although that was heavily inspired by the comic anyway). Most of the game's character design is based off of the artwork of Steve McNiven, who drew the summer event series Civil War, which is rumored to be a major part of Ultimate Alliance 2's story.

Oh well, i like the comic customes alot more.

Jean has been confirmed to have basic tk. I am so happy! Just need a tk shield.

Confirmed? Great! So it means she still has her tk AND the tk lift/slam move? Great, hopefully her basic tk can also lift up more than 1 object :D
*imagines using telekinesis to lift and drop a dozen of enemies off the rooftop*

I hope her shield will be more like from XML, I loved her boosts in XML2 but shield are a must for her.

To unlock Jean you must collect shards of the M'Kraan Crystal to resurrect and unlock her. Dan Tanguay reported that Nightcrawler died in the first one by this game's canon. Jean died afterwards in between the first and second game. Maybe by Galactus or sacrificing herself.

Why would they have Jean Grey in the game and only use her telepathic powers? Why don't they just make Jean Grey using her Phoenix powers a different character?

It's because Jean is more likable with her TK, she only had TK in xml 1.. That's why mostly everyone liked her in that game...

Why don't they have 2 different characters Phoenix and Jean Grey is that simple or should they just have one character who has both.

If they had to diff characters, then it would kinda be a waste for a slot..

No they swap 2 outfits for jean 2 outfits for phoenix

So she must be unlocked first... I thought she would be a character available from start. Looks like I'll get to use invisible woman first to unlock Jean.

I kinda hoped she would use her telepathic abilities more or at least her Phoenix powers beside the fire blast.

If they leave Phoenix out I'm happy. TK Jean okay, but not TK+Phoenix. Waste of slot like oldlace said. Besides, we already have a pyromaniac (Torch) in it, init?:P

I was under the impression that while in her low levels she only uses TK, once you level her powers up they started to show some "Phoenix" features (fire effects, etc.). I'm not even sure if I imagined the whole thing, though.

Quote from: Gevth on July 27, 2009, 07:15AM
I was under the impression that while in her low levels she only uses TK, once you level her powers up they started to show some "Phoenix" features (fire effects, etc.). I'm not even sure if I imagined the whole thing, though.

yeah, that's what I thought too :P

I think that it would be stupid of them to give her the Phoenix costume and not give her at least some Phoenix powers?

But whatever, I don't mind if she's just Jean, or if she's just Phoenix

So Jean has both Phoenix and mental powers. Read this...
http://twitter.com/Dan_Tanguay

Interesting, the beam is only one part? I wonder what happens when it hits. Start with Jean and then developing more Phoenix like powers? That could really be the case... If reversed it will be awkward.

Phoenix powers are a must with a costume like that :D And I like the fact that her powers are more aggressive and Sue is way more into defense. So they can balance each other out :D

Yeah Jean sounds very good. I have noticed that the M'Kraan Crystal is home to the White Hot Room so maybe when she died she is in their and you have to get the shards to build a doorway to help her get out.

now i am sure that Jean's TK move is a grab...

according to Dan Tanguay...

Quote@tevyrich Jean has a great telekinetic "grip" move against enemies and can telekinetically lift and throw massive objects.11:21 PM Jul 24th from web in reply to tevyrich

hmm... but that would mean it's only close range. isn't tk supposed to help you throw things around from a distance rather than close range? perhaps her grab is a tk move but not her only tk move. Aren't there any more demo videos of her?

Not necessarily close range...
I hope they make it so that she can just target to someone and then start throwing him all over the place. Or alternatively throw other people/objects to the target.

Ah well, if only they would give everyone as many powers as in XML2.  :( But it's just four. That sucks :( :(

But like in XML1 you have a lot of upgrading to do and that makes the power worthwhile.

I agree with marvelfan12345 and prefer it the way it was in legends 1. The less powers the better. When a character has too many powers, the chances are you'll find that same power repeated in other characters and i really hate that. It takes away from each characters originality i.e Hulk charge, Collosus charge Thing charge, Juggernault charge or Nightcrawler sword whirlwind, Deadpool Sword Whirlwind, Black Panther SWord Whirlwind e.t.c Every character should be unique and different from the other. With only four power sets it will force the programmers to really concerntrate and focus on making every character special even if they do share similare melee or projectile techniques like Jugs and hulk for e.g Difference is key.

Looking forward to playing with Jean. The only thing i'm not thrilled about is that costume she's wearing. Erhh!!! They should have dressed her in her classic ninties costume. That would have been better. Shes been rocking that green phoenix costume since legends 1

Quote from: warmachine300 on August 04, 2009, 09:54PM
I agree with marvelfan12345 and prefer it the way it was in legends 1. The less powers the better. When a character has too many powers, the chances are you'll find that same power repeated in other characters and i really hate that. It takes away from each characters originality i.e Hulk charge, Collosus charge Thing charge, Juggernault charge or Nightcrawler sword whirlwind, Deadpool Sword Whirlwind, Black Panther Sword Whirlwind e.t.c Every character should be unique and different from the other. With only four power sets it will force the programmers to really concerntrate and focus on making every character special even if they do share similare melee or projectile techniques like Jugs and hulk for e.g Difference is key.

Looking forward to playing with Jean. The only thing i'm not thrilled about is that costume she's wearing. Erhh!!! They should have dressed her in her classic ninties costume. That would have been better. Shes been rocking that green phoenix costume since legends 1

Man I could agree with you any more. I think they should have 6 powers per person. To much and as you said you see the power repeated, but to little and you would get boried so quickly. And Jean shouldn't wear the green phoenix but instead her ninties or Marvel Girl the one with green dress and yellow mask, she wore it in the Dark Phoenix Saga in the X-Men Cartoon Series.

"Pheonix: She has some Pheonix powers, but they must work in the game space. She can't disintegrate the entire level."

GOT IT FROM HERE: http://www.herohq.com/forums/viewthread/10360/

game space? im not quite sure if ive digested entirely what the sentence is suppose to mean...

The Phoenix costume is her most known and popular and her 90s would look weird compared to other character's modern costumes. The Phoenix was the best choice. I'm quite sure her 90s and New X-Men are alternate skins. The last is either White Phoenix, Dark Phoenix, or Marvel Girl.

I disagree with that completely. When I think of Jean I think of the classic yellow and blue strip she wore in the nineties and I think alot of people do. Only a serious Jean fan would think of her phoenix strip. I don't think of the phoenix costumes at all.  To me the Phoenix costume looks very weird indeed. Especially if her main powers are going to consist of telekinesis and telepathy. It sends mixed messages. With that costume people will be expecting her to be the Armageddon, fire consuming, high flying goddess almighty that can disintegrate you with a thought. Here she is just Jean Grey because that was WHO they announced. Not Phoenix-The sun feeder. So give us the Jean Grey we all know and love. Yeah I know narvelfan12345 your gonna say Jean and Phoenix are the same but to me there not and to a lot of people they not either. Yeah I may have issues with the whole Jean/Phoenix thing but I actually believe I'm making a valid point. If they would have announced 'Phoenix' is in the game then that costume would have been acceptable. They announced 'Jean Grey' so that costume is totally unacceptable as a default costume. That's my opinion anyways

Well that is her main costume now. When she comes back do you think she will be in her 90s costume? They are going for a current look not the 80s or 90s. So her current look is Phoenix or White Phoenix. 

Well that's a BIG shame if you ask me. Hopefully she'll have her mid-nineties costume as a supporting one.

Yeah her 90s should be alternate but to me the Phoenix is defintally her default.

Quote from: warmachine300 on August 05, 2009, 07:47PM
I disagree with that completely. When I think of Jean I think of the classic yellow and blue strip she wore in the nineties and I think alot of people do. Only a serious Jean fan would think of her phoenix strip. I don't think of the phoenix costumes at all.  To me the Phoenix costume looks very weird indeed. Especially if her main powers are going to consist of telekinesis and telepathy. It sends mixed messages. With that costume people will be expecting her to be the Armageddon, fire consuming, high flying goddess almighty that can disintegrate you with a thought. Here she is just Jean Grey because that was WHO they announced. Not Phoenix-The sun feeder. So give us the Jean Grey we all know and love. Yeah I know narvelfan12345 your gonna say Jean and Phoenix are the same but to me there not and to a lot of people they not either. Yeah I may have issues with the whole Jean/Phoenix thing but I actually believe I'm making a valid point. If they would have announced 'Phoenix' is in the game then that costume would have been acceptable. They announced 'Jean Grey' so that costume is totally unacceptable as a default costume. That's my opinion anyways

I totally agree with you on this.

Jean and The Phoenix are totally different for me too.

But I really can't see the 90's outfit in this game (although I wouldn't mind it being available) it's just kinda old.

The Phoenix outfit is more modern.

I'm still going with the whole Jean and Phoenix are one and the same.

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Erm... What??? :confused:

Ok I don't know how that happened. that was weird

i just got info for jeans costumes they are phoenix dark phoenix original ultimate jim lee and age of the apocalypse its still being processed because they have created a lot i hope they have white phoenix :phoenix:

Do you have a link where you found this ?

Quote from: balooloo5 on August 09, 2009, 08:53PM
i just got info for jeans costumes they are phoenix dark phoenix original ultimate jim lee and age of the apocalypse its still being processed because they have created a lot i hope they have white phoenix :phoenix:

Fake. They said they are not having the same costumes, just changed colours, which means no Dark Phoenix or White Phoenix

Quote from: zmikey08z on August 10, 2009, 04:02AM
Fake. They said they are not having the same costumes, just changed colours, which means no Dark Phoenix or White Phoenix

Huh?  Where have you heard that?  Prove it.

Quote from: Teancum on August 10, 2009, 04:36AM
Huh?  Where have you heard that?  Prove it.

It was either said by Dan (a dev) on Twitter, or News Lad, and I can't find it on his twitter, so Nesw Lad proberly said it in the forums. When I fidn it, i'll message

News Lad said in one of his posts that there re-colouring of costumes and that every character costume is completely unique with different materials, textures...

I read that post too, but that doesn't mean they can't have Dark Phoenix, or White Phoenix. He said they made a new mesh for every single alternative costume, but as long as they change the hairstyle or whatever, they would have to make new meshes.
This discussion, as almost every other speculation about the game, will lead to nowhere until the game is released or the developers say exactly what to expect.

EDIT: Here's the actual post http://www.herohq.com/forums/viewthread/748/P1380/ :
Re- Alt Costumes.  Yup, we've put a ton of work into those.  Just so you know, none are 're-skins,' all alternate costumes are entirely new meshes and textures.  Part of this is because it looks better, part of it is because our regular costumes are so detailed that "reskins" wouldn't really work... When you're detailing the seams on a character's mask, you can't just make it flesh-colored for an alt where they don't have a mask.  That would be creeeeepy.

i kinda like her x-men evolution and her classic costume but of course the white phoenix and the dark phoenix are my top

They'll probably have for the 4 skins would be:
1) Phoenix
2) Dark/White Phoenix
3) Classic
4) Ultimate

Quote from: Unknown on August 12, 2009, 06:15PM
They'll probably have for the 4 skins would be:
1) Phoenix
2) Dark/White Phoenix
3) Classic
4) Ultimate

doubt it, base on the posts above, they'll have way different costumes. maybe the concept of the design will be idetical to the typical jean costumes but the colours might be diff but the dark and white phoenix are a big possibility

I think...

1. Phoenix
2. DP/WP
3. 90s
4. New X-Men

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on August 12, 2009, 07:34PM
I think...

1. Phoenix
2. DP/WP
3. 90s
4. New X-Men

I can agree with that.

Some Jean news. Powers will not change for costumes so I'm guessing no pink effects for her. This can also maybe cancel out her 90s and Marvel Girl costumes as Penance will not have his Speedball costume as they play differently.

Also her 3D screenshot with Deadpool is now up! It is great!

same here

Damn it, they won't load for me -.-

Can someone take a screencap or something? :)

It wouldn't for me first but eventually I got it. Just keep trying.

Yeah, yeah, it loaded, I was just gonna post : " nevermind " :)

P.S. I wonder if the fire under Jean is hers doing, or something else :D

Well Deadpool is firing his guns. And there are many bubbles which being created by Jean I think. I'll admit to not being able to fully understand the fusion.

where? can you give links?

http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/#/Media/3DScreenshots/

:)

the official site

thanks man!

No problem :D

The pic is fantastic

yes it is! ^_^

i did some research and wathced some videos and there will be more than 4 powers because the new trailer when they are customizing gambit there are 4 powers on the screen and he scrolls down to another so there will be more and jean has all phoenix powers

Those are passives. Only 4 powers for each character and 6 passives.

4 powers per character? That's lame...

I don't really like Jean Grey. Its almost like your assuming that everyone likes her.

Who me. If it is me then most people who post or come here do like her and they want to talk about her. If you don't like her well I'm not forcing you to vote or to post here. And why post here or even come if you don't like her. There isn't a need for your comment at all as nobody even asked you anything.

Anyway Jean will have telepathic powers. One but at least she has some.

http://twitter.com/Dan_Tanguay

Click on more like two to three times to find the post. Also he keeps saying something like "Emma, can't talk about the roster" He has done this with Rogue and Black Cat too. Unless he is addressing to somebody it almost sounds like hints that they are DLC.

Also yay Jean will feel powerful! And whether someone said anything about it yet but Jean has phoenix powers but they can't disentigrate the entire level.

I made a new poll. You can pick up to 6 but please only pick one.

New X-men. I love that costume.

:emmafrost:

I went with New X-Men. So far the other 3 characters seem to have modern customes, so of all of those choices to me New X-Men is the most current (i would hate if we got the White Phoenix or the Dark Phoenix as alternates since they are basically the same custome as the Green Phoenix just with different colors)

I voted for New X-Men, 90's and Dark Phoenix.

Don't really like the White Phoenix one, not sure why...

About the whole 6 option thingy, there's only 5 selections...

I know I couldn't figure out how to change the votes from 6 to 1 so I asked if people can only vote for one. Please read the posts above to help.

I did it for you.

Thanks Dihan.

I'm so sorry marvelfan12345, I voted for 3 costumes, didn't read it :(

But if I had to choose one it would be New X-Men

Yay I heard Jean will have a fusion with IW involving IW creating a force field around Jean while she flies around battering enemies. I hope Jean has some cool fiery aura around her. I just wish Jean may have similar fusions with others except she creates the force fields (tk shields of course).

The one costume Jean did get was very unexpected and not even in the poll.

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/SR2IMAGES/MUA2JEAN1.jpg

I like it, not what i would have chosen, but its still cool

Yeah same here. It's really nice but not the first costume that I would have chosen. I hope a few other characters have original costumes too so they match with Jean.

pretty sure that's first class, not original. original has the skull cap part, and not as much detail

Yeah sorry I meant First Class. But the time perioid is back in the original days.

just me being oversensitive to small errors that most people don't care about.

Quote from: spiderman
hey, we can't all be recovering nerds

or something...

I hope there's an Ultimate and New X-men costumes...

We only get one other costume and that is her First Class. Maybe for DLC if they do have extra costumes for DLC.

only one alternate costume? that sucks!

I altered Jean to show what she would look like with her Dark Phoenix and White Phoenix of the Crown costumes

(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5929/jeanalts.png) (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/jeanalts.png/)
   

Those look really good!!! I love how Dark Phoenix's eyes are all evil!

Jean Powersets

WII/PS2

Mental Burst: Fires a blast of telekinetic flame that homes in on enemies.
Psionic Boom: A telekinetic shockwave that burns the minds of enemies causing them to ignite for a time.
Calming Presence: Increases energy regeneration rate of the entire party for a time.
Mental Vortex: All allies turn a percentage of Damage inflicted into energy.
Mental Guardian: Projects a small piece of Phoenix essence from within that will attack enemies near Jean.
Mind Fry: A mental wave sweeps out, weakening enemies for a time. Also has a 50% chance to confuse, forcing victims to stand helplessly.

(For attacks she pushes enemies back tk)

360/Ps3

A) Telekinetic Grip: Controllable move
B) Restraining Wave: Stuns foes with a mental blast
X) Pyrokine Blast: manifests a searing wave of psionic energy
Y) Phoenix's Fury: Burns foes held immobile by telekinesis

Resurrection: + % chance to resurrect
Uncanny X-Men: + Extra Teamwork
Psionic Mastery: + % Extra Power Dmg
Combat Rush: + Stamina per enemy KO

Anti-Reg Specific
Fiery Strikes: + Extra Fire Dmg to Melee
No Mercy: + Extra HP per enemy KO

im drooling at those powersets lol

Well this topic is pretty much for her discussion now. I see her as one of the best characters in the game. Her health can easily be taken out though so blocking is often a good idea. Besides that it is always fun to watch her fall and then resurrect without a healing token.

They had to make her powerful otherwise all the fanboys would have cried and slit their wrists... Or at least go online and moan about it.

im thinking... can we port the wii/ps2 version of jean grey (costume)

Quote from: marvelfan12345 on September 19, 2009, 06:18AM
. Besides that it is always fun to watch her fall and then resurrect without a healing token.

she doesn't die in the game???

Quote from: Crescent_jason on September 20, 2009, 12:01AM
im thinking... can we port the wii/ps2 version of jean grey (costume)

Yes, but to please the non-JG fans I'm finishing up others first XD

Quote from: BLaw on September 20, 2009, 07:01AM
Yes, but to please the non-JG fans I'm finishing up others first XD

one of her passive abilities gives her a chance to resurrect herself if she dies