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Title: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Nowhere Man on August 09, 2010, 08:12pm
DEADDEVIL

well, some of you might already know that by the end of Shadowland good ol' DD is gonna be dead and Marvel has been announcing candidates for the devil's hood. and they are really weird:

Black Panther (ok, how's DD's hood more important than his own? he's a friggin king for chrissake!)

Falcon (yeah, get the guy whose main uniqueness is flying and speaking to his bird and take that away from him. what do you get? that's right: nothing)

Gambit (the character has indeed been "lost" nowadays. but getting a thief with highly questionable morals to fight thieves with highly questionable morals is just weird. Plus, where's all the mutant ordeal in this?)

Kraven the Hunter (oh yeah "I'm gonna kill all the criminals in this city. but not before I kill spider-man!" that would work )

and finally: Nova
Can you imagine?
- Richard, Barracuda, The Owl, Mister Hyde, Kingpin, Bullseye, Man-Bull, Mister Fear, Tombstone, Hammerhead, Stilt-Man and Purple Man are surrounding us. They're Daredevil's greatest enemies and have been causing havok in hell's kitchen for decades.
- Understood Worldmind.
*SHIUUUUUM!!!!*
- Richard, you have just destroyed all of them...and Hell's Kitchen...and New York City.
- Whoops...

This whole thing sounds ridiculous. We all know that the Hand is gonna just ressurect him pretty soon. Don't you all agree?
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Quentin Hex on August 09, 2010, 08:29pm
i could see black panther or gambit being it, but no one else really. and gambit would just do it for shits and giggles to piss of cyclops ("hey skottie, i'm off to protect new york, have fun with whole messiah and vampires thing" XD). black panther could pull it off though, if you ignore the whole king problem XD. and the fact that he's not blind or caucasian.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Dihan on August 10, 2010, 12:33am
They should just get the Iron Fist to do it again.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: LX - Rampage on August 10, 2010, 11:33am
No. No no no and NO! What's going on?! Why are they killing off all of their cool characters? Everything has changed! I start to heavily dislike their (and DC's aswell) "new idea of comic-making". If they make one of my old favourite to be dead for sure and replace him with someone, who is ALREADY a hero, than they are losing what they shouldn't. Good ol' characters, who are liked by many characters.
It's like this: "Dad, can I buy the new Daredevil comic? I love Matt Murdoc's character!"
"No you can't son, because Matt Murdoc is dead and Daredevil will be a monkey from now on, with rainbow colored clothes and with the ability, to eat 4000 bananas in a minute"
Sorry, I don't want to be angry or anything, but this sucks. In a little time, they kill of everyone unique, everyone original and replace them with someone totally else. And I don't think, that people don't like the characters.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Nowhere Man on August 10, 2010, 02:27pm
you do seem angry, but you have every right to be. it's pathetic. I think except for those deaths I posted in the memorable deaths thread all others have been pure crap. plus it doesn't make sense. even when iron fist substituted DD. Iron Fist is a legendary chosen warrior that shows up once a generation and has existed for thousandss of years. how're the guy in red who beats criminals more important than that? why can't other heroes protect hell's kitchen as themselves?

killing of character just to bring them back right away is ridiculous. they're doing it all the effing time. both marvel and DC. I get that they want us to miss the characters in order to properly appreciate them and then buy all the comics in which they die and return. I hate this. There are other ways to miss characters. They can take a vacation, retire and then come back, go missing, become captive for a lot of time, step away cause they had kids and so on and so on.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: mccordlarsen on August 10, 2010, 02:53pm
DD has been a favorite of mine since I was a little kid...in fact, it was my very first comic. I've been following shadowland pretty extensively, and I'd actually be quite surprised if they kill of DD. What I think is going to happen is that DD simply becomes a villain instead of a hero, hence hell's kitchen needing a new protector. Unless you know otherwise...
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Dihan on August 10, 2010, 03:08pm
I personally think Gambit will become the new Daredevil. Though if they get rid of him I'd prefer no one replaced him.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Quentin Hex on August 10, 2010, 03:14pm
i actually don't mind them killing characters occasionally, as a plot device if they manage to keep them dead for a good while, and don't replace them with other mainstream heroes who have places already. like cap dying being replaced by bucky was a good and well done story line that went naturally. also have you noticed how in sequels of popular fiction books important characters start dying? that's what the comic industry is going through right now, a period of not knowing what to do with their characters, so they are killing some and reviving some to spice things up.

also why danny rand became daredevil was 1) to help matt murdock and try and convince people that matt wasn't daredevil and 2) because though the iron fist is a centuries old mantle, the daredevil is a symbol that carries more relevance for the modern times and represents more than just "the red guy who fights criminals".

hope i don't sound too argumentative XD

oh and, kind of random i think an interesting (and the best) replacement for daredevil would be echo, seeing as he is her idle of sorts and it would be kind of cool to have a female daredevil in charge. and she already has most of the connections to the new york underworld she needs to make the transition smooth.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: LX - Rampage on August 10, 2010, 03:17pm
For me, Daredevil is not like Captain America. I mean, Bucky was just great, to be the new Cap, but the Daredevil is a blind man, with great senses and without fear. I don't think, that anyone could just replace him, like: "Daredevil is dead, I pick up his suit from the laundry and become the new one"
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Nowhere Man on August 10, 2010, 04:24pm
I think he's not that iconic within the marvel universe. having a legacy hero for cap, spidey or ironman is natural, but DD isn't nearly as famous as these guys.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: LX - Rampage on August 11, 2010, 07:18am
But at least he was original. I mean, what if they make Black Panther the new Daredevil? It's like deleting two original hero and putting them together. I don't like the sound of that.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: whiteking on August 11, 2010, 08:04am
I'm with you. I mean DD is not my favorite hero and I don't think he's that special or epic, but he has something that it's different from the standard icons of Marvel, I don't know maybe his attitude, so I would prefer that he should stay the same and don't replace him with other hero.
But in that case that he will be replaced (just a few months like Ms Marvel was replaced by Moonstone in the Dark Reign), Echo would be the perfect choice for me.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: mccordlarsen on August 11, 2010, 09:44pm
I could do Echo....I like Echo. People at my local comic book shop today is a couple of theories.

1. Daredevil is already dead and has been resurrected from the Hand to work for them. Much like Elektra, and Echo have been in the past.

2. Matt Murdock simply stops being "Daredevil".

3. Daredevil turns into a villain.

The death of Matt Murdock is slowly losing ground. People think it'll simply take a new direction.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Shauny7488 on September 02, 2010, 01:04am
What they did to Cap reminds me of what DC did to Batman.

DC, "Batman's dead"
Fans, "Aww thats sad, Batman was cool"
DC, "Theres going to be a battle between the allies of Batman to see who becomes the new Batman"
Fans, "Thats kinda cool I guess..."
DC, "Dick Greyson is the new Batman"
Fans, "Thats a good choice"
DC, "By the way, Batman isn't dead"
Fans, "Huh?"

Deaths are becoming far too common all of a sudden I think, if the writers want the full effect of a character death, they need to spread them out a bit more, otherwise people will just get used to them happening
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: tymaca321 on September 02, 2010, 10:48am
I think these deaths are just to see how many fans like that particular character, for example
You like Jean grey

but for the 101nth time, she dies in a comic
you basicly got 2 options

1 : buy the comic, you dont really care about Jean
2: Stop buying the comics, it was all about Jean :P

Then at a certain time, she revives again :P, its that simple really
especially setting on the cover in big-ass letters ''The Return Of Jean (again)''
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Quentin Hex on September 15, 2010, 08:05pm
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.14002.black_panther~colon~_the_man_without_fear
look likes it's black panther after all XP
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Nowhere Man on September 15, 2010, 09:13pm
yup. it seems that being a king doesn't take that much of your time.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: tymaca321 on September 16, 2010, 05:49am
Under it stands that he is no longer the king :P, damn if i where him, ill stay in Wakanda a bit longer ;P, wonder what happens to Storm though, now that her husband is going crazy :P
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: LX - Rampage on September 16, 2010, 06:42am
I'm still not happy about it.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: mccordlarsen on September 16, 2010, 07:14pm
They've said that Storm and T'challa are still together, although BP needs some space and I gues Storm "understands that". So she is on the west coast with the X-men and he's protecting Hells kitchen...weird. He is no longer the Monarch of Wakanda and has lost all the Vibranium so he really doesn't have a whole lot left.

But yeah...I'll give it a try, although I'm not expecting much.

I have been pleasantly surprised before.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: tymaca321 on September 19, 2010, 04:26am
Still, this has to be BP's dumbest move ever, but who's gonna rule Wakanda now? Storm only?
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Quentin Hex on September 19, 2010, 09:11am
isn't storm off busy worrying about vampires in san-fran?
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: LX - Rampage on September 19, 2010, 09:48am
The world of Marvel 616 sucks nowadays. I hope Hope ( XD ) does something, like dies or anything and brings back dead people and makes stuff unhappened.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: MarvelFan12345 on September 19, 2010, 11:51am
My own preference is that Marvel is rebooted like DC one was. Too many stupid decisions have happened that have changed marvel in bad ways.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: mccordlarsen on September 19, 2010, 10:20pm
And yet, Marvel continues to out-sale DC.

According to the last sales #s that came out.

Top 10 comics sold:
Marvel wins by 1,282 issues (which isn't too much but check out top 50)

Top 50 comics sold:
Marvel wins by 536,778 issues. 

That's a substantial difference. Only one comic book within the month of June that wasn't Marvel or DC made the top 50.

Needless to say...Marve's "bad decisions" are selling lots and lots of comics.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: mccordlarsen on September 21, 2010, 10:43am
I just read the official preview for BP: Man Without Fear, and I noticed something. They are continuing the numbering to 513. If Marvel continues the pattern as in the past, this suggests that BP is a mere Substitute for DD. DD: Reborn will come and I bet that may be a single a arc, then DD will resume his role as the Man Without Fear.

This is only speculation, but it would fit the pattern that Marvel has set in the past.

Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Nowhere Man on September 21, 2010, 11:03am
My own preference is that Marvel is rebooted like DC one was. Too many stupid decisions have happened that have changed marvel in bad ways.

oh god no, that would be the worst thing. what I like about marvel the most is that it's a more cohesive universe with a continuous timeline. I hate how they reboot the dc universe every 10 or 15 years. it's like whatever I read doesn't matter cause a few years from now it won't have happened anyway.
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: High5 on October 07, 2010, 09:32am
I think that could be a good idea. They've done too much. Civil war, 'will change the marvel universe forever' only to be abolished sometime after dark reign. The countless avengers. Captain America dying and then he comes back. Ressurection after ressurection. A reboot might be what they need.

Though, if they did that, how different would it be? Who would weild the sheild? And, on the main topic, who would be Daredevil?
Title: Re: DD stands for... (spoilers)
Post by: Quentin Hex on October 07, 2010, 11:14am
reboot is a terrible idea. just awful. in my opinion at least.