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Title: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: BaconWizard17 on May 30, 2016, 06:59AM
Although it didn't get great reviews, I enjoyed the movie. I liked the new actors, the plot flowed well, and finally it wasn't wolverine-centered. One of my biggest issues is how they did apocalypse. His voice was too feeble and he wasn't big enough. I also feel like the studio has backed itself into a corner with the timeline, because if they plan on bringing it up to present day, the X-Men characters are going to have to be in their 50s and 60s while the actors are still going to be in their 20s and 30s. Overall I give it 7/10.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Polygone on May 30, 2016, 10:39AM
Some things that should've been in X-movies in the first place (Phoenix raptor, Wolverine's classic weapon X costume, Jubilee) finally made it in and that's something I really enjoyed.

I don't feel like they've cornered themselves. In the comics the Age of Apocalypse also took place around the time the X-men were grown up, so they simply take stories and put the young X-men in them. The group dynamic worked incredibly well, Nightcrawler was amazing.

Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Lightning249539 on May 30, 2016, 10:51AM
Quote from: Polygone on May 30, 2016, 10:39AM
Some things that should've been in X-movies in the first place (Phoenix raptor, Wolverine's classic weapon X costume, Jubilee) finally made it in and that's something I really enjoyed.

I don't feel like they've cornered themselves. In the comics the Age of Apocalypse also took place around the time the X-men were grown up, so they simply take stories and put the young X-men in them. The group dynamic worked incredibly well, Nightcrawler was amazing.
I wanted to see more of  Jubilee!! :storm:
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Midnightphoenix on May 30, 2016, 04:53PM
I thought it was a great movie.

I do agree with BaconWizard though. The way they jump forward 10 years every movie can't continue unless they do age the X-Men. The future we see at the end of Days of Future Past most likely exists in 2023 the same year the bad future also existed. Meaning they only have about 40 years until that time. Charles, Magneto, Beast and Mystique as well as Alex and Moira, and anyone else from First Class haven't seemed to age in 30 years. And we know they all eventually age into the original actors so they don't have much longer to do that. And Mystique is really the only one who doesn't have to age.

I did enjoy all the new actors. I think Scott was much more likable this time around, and they finally pulled off plot points that have been messed up in the other movies. I hope we get to see another X-Men movie, though they seem much more focused on New Mutants and possibly X-Force.

I thought Apocalypse was pulled off really well in the movie, the one thing I wish we got more of was action. I feel like the few scenes we got weren't enough. Even Apocalypse himself didn't do a whole lot. And Jubilee should have been included more. There was no reason to put her in the movie unless they planned on using her. At this point they keep tossing her into movies and leaving her on the side lines. Not to mention the fact that her hanging out with Jean, Scott and Kurt gives off the impression that she could have been and should have been an X-Man herself.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Lightning249539 on May 30, 2016, 05:15PM
Quote from: Midnightphoenix on May 30, 2016, 04:53PM
I thought it was a great movie.

I do agree with BaconWizard though. The way they jump forward 10 years every movie can't continue unless they do age the X-Men. The future we see at the end of Days of Future Past most likely exists in 2023 the same year the bad future also existed. Meaning they only have about 40 years until that time. Charles, Magneto, Beast and Mystique as well as Alex and Moira, and anyone else from First Class haven't seemed to age in 30 years. And we know they all eventually age into the original actors so they don't have much longer to do that. And Mystique is really the only one who doesn't have to age.

I did enjoy all the new actors. I think Scott was much more likable this time around, and they finally pulled off plot points that have been messed up in the other movies. I hope we get to see another X-Men movie, though they seem much more focused on New Mutants and possibly X-Force.

I thought Apocalypse was pulled off really well in the movie, the one thing I wish we got more of was action. I feel like the few scenes we got weren't enough. Even Apocalypse himself didn't do a whole lot. And Jubilee should have been included more. There was no reason to put her in the movie unless they planned on using her. At this point they keep tossing her into movies and leaving her on the side lines. Not to mention the fact that her hanging out with Jean, Scott and Kurt gives off the impression that she could have been and should have been an X-Man herself.
I totally agree with you!!! We need to see Jubilee in action more because my friends keeps saying she sucks but little do they know she can actually be really powerful! And i loved how Kurt, Jubilee, Cyclops, and Jean hanged out :storm:
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Julio Cabral on May 31, 2016, 05:29AM
Am I crazy or the Marvel Logo show up in the movie? Not the default one, the MCU logo, and in the credits it say "In asociation with Marvel". That's something in my opinion.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Outsider on May 31, 2016, 04:53PM
They did this film very well. Apocalypse was very different from his comic counterpart, but I thought it was done well, except at some point he should have grown gigantic (besides at Xavier's astral plane), as that's kind of a trademark for him. Once again, Magneto looked like a god -- as well he should. The Phoenix was portrayed as the unstoppable force it really is -- unlike in X3, and Quicksilver stole the damn show! He was hilarious. All of the characters had good spots, though I admit I was distracted by Nightcrawler's Thriller jacket lol. Overall, great film. The critics don't know what the hell they're talking about.

The general consensus I'm seeing here is that Jubilee didn't have her chance to shine -- I agree. Lana Condor was robbed. I damn sure loved the Wolverine cameo, as he is my all-time favorite comic character. They did this right, with him looking like a damn monster, a killing machine -- which he is. Even though I've heard the next Wolverine film is based on the "Old Man Logan" storyline, I had hoped that it would feature his time in Madripoor, along with Psylocke and Jubilee. Those were some great adventures. That would give Jubilee some well-deserved time. Speaking of Psylocke, hopefully Olivia Munn will return. They showed Psylocke mysteriously walking off. She and Wolverine have an interesting relationship to say the least, so hopefullt they'll do something with that. And I wonder who they will cast as Mr. Sinister and X-23.

Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Midnightphoenix on May 31, 2016, 07:29PM
Quote from: Julio Cabral on May 31, 2016, 05:29AM
Am I crazy or the Marvel Logo show up in the movie? Not the default one, the MCU logo, and in the credits it say "In asociation with Marvel". That's something in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure it is the old Marvel Logo intro before Marvel upgraded to the new one. Maybe they didn't give Fox permission to use it. And I am sure they have to give credit to Marvel.

@Outsider, I hope Psylocke returns as well. They have a bunch of supposed upcoming movies they could use her in. Deadpool, Wolverine, X-Force, New Mutants. I am very excited to finally see Sinister, I have been wanting him to show up for awhile now.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Jaybird on May 31, 2016, 08:07PM
I think if this switched release dates with Deadpool it would have better reviews.Its a good movie but its hard to follow up Civil War.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Owl City on June 01, 2016, 07:32AM
I loved this movie so much!! Already watched it twice!! To me, it's by far the best X-Men movie, Apocalypse was awesome ( even though he wasn't as big as he was in the comics, he was really scary. Oscar Isaac made him imponent! Love the way he acted like a true god it was fantastic! Jean's stunning!! Sophie Turner is the ultimate Jean Grey!! Loved her since the first time we see her in the movie!! Scott is now showing the true leader he is!! Jubilee could show more (and she would. In the original version of the scene in the mall jubilee would use her powers, Lana Condor said that while they were shooting this scene she got electric shocks from the equipment on her hands to make light effects). Even though Psylocke didn't get much screentime, she still was awesome!! The real savage wolverine showed himself. Loved everything about his movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Lightning249539 on June 01, 2016, 09:38PM
Im actually shocked that they didn't use Jubilee much in this movie because in the Xmen Animated television series she was one of the main characters. :storm:
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Owl City on June 03, 2016, 07:59AM
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/x-men-apocalypse.jpg?w=1000&h=563&crop=1)

An actress recently considered this pic promoting the pic sexist and started to complain a lot about it. What are your thoughts?

I see no problem in it cause Apocalypse is the bad guy. He doesn't represent anything that people should follow. Not to mention he was defeated by a girl.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Jaybird on June 03, 2016, 08:53AM
Well if we follow that logic then the picture promotes blue on blue crime.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Polygone on June 03, 2016, 10:33AM
Honestly I'm so sick of this whole SJW thing in which we try to reach so far in search of a problem. I'm trying to not get all too deep in it but it's like recently people WANT to see problems with stuff that literally isn't there.

Mystique tried to stop Apocalypse
Apocalypse is a bad guy
Apocalypse grabs Mystique by the throat

(If I remember correctly moments before Mystique sliced Apoc open disguised as Psylocke, which, lmao, makes them pretty even)
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Outsider on June 03, 2016, 02:46PM
Mystique represents the face of a revolution, and was looked up to by many in the film, including Storm, so it makes sense that they show the ruthless villain trying to take her out. There's nothing sexist about that. On the contrary, it promotes female empowerment, as it shows that women can take such leadership roles. They get attacked, but they bounce back and they keep fighting, just as their male counterparts would.

And I'm willing to bet money that if it were a male character being choked by Apocalypse, it wouldn't be an issue at all. I don't look at that picture and see "a man choking a woman," I see "the god-like villain choking the heroic protagonist." Who cares of their gender? And at the end of the film, the big bad villain is taken out by a woman -- Jean Grey. Oh yeah, that's real sexist...   :rofl:

Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Midnightphoenix on June 03, 2016, 09:42PM
I agree with what you said Outsider.

This movie is the exact opposite of sexist. Mystique is one of, if not the front running actor. She plays a major role in the movie. And not only that but Jean Grey, Storm and Psylocke are all prominent characters as well. Without Jean everyone would probably be dead. Without Mystique Erik would probably still be a villain.

Just because he is holding her by the throat doesn't mean people should start point fingers. Apocalypse doesn't care who he kills. She was just someone in his way that he wanted to get rid of.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Hobgoblin on June 27, 2016, 12:40AM
FINALLY got to see this movie.

I thought it was overall very enjoyable, but the most uneven of the X-bunch. The first half felt like a clip show to me where the scenes were either good or bad and didn't necessarily connect well, and there were some plot gaps or holes too (just one example: Storm and Apocalypse suddenly shifting from Cairo to the not-so-public mutant hub in Berlin).

Apocalypse was shown to be WAY too powerful, being able to kill a bunch of people with the blink of an eye. That power would have made him impossible to fight against, it didn't really gel with how they actually could fight him in the end.

I didn't like how they did the horsemen & what function they had in the movie, especially Archangel only seemed to be done in respect to the guy being a famous horseman in the comics, but there was no reason for Apocalypse to select him in the movie and Archangel hardly did anything. Psylocke's story-arc went nowhere.

My biggest issue was how light they made of mass-destruction, death and danger:
-Quicksilver had another cool, funny scene like in DOFP, but seeing how many students were in serious danger I thought they went too far with him being silly around the various saves, taking more time than he could have known that he had with the explosion blowing all through the mansion. On the other hand, he DID save all but one student and nobody ever thanked him for it! Shortly after, in the plane, he told the others that he considered himself to be a loser. Couldn't anyone have pointed out that he had just saved a huge amount of lives?
-Jean unleashed Logan on the Weapon X facility and the guy goes on a gruesome killing spree. The only serious reaction this gets from anyone is Nightcrawler's shock and prayer. But shouldn't Jean be horrified by the consequences of her action? Shouldn't Wolverine, after Jean cleared his mind, have looked at the blood on his claws in horror?
-Magneto's enhanced power results in mass-destruction all over the world. Thousands of lives are lost. Thousands! But in the end... they won! Disaster averted! All's well again! The world leaders are reassured and Erik and Charles have a friendly chat back at the mansion. Nobody makes an issue out of the fact that at that point, Magneto is a mass-murderer.

BUT for all of the above, for all of its flaws, for all of the gaps and holes - I did enjoy the movie and I LOVED the final fight against Apocalypse. Superhero/Action movies often just 'play out' in the end, just revolving to their logical conclusion, but I thought this fight was extremely exciting. Xavier's "You'll never win, because you are alone, and I am not!" was perfect.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Starkiller on June 28, 2016, 05:26PM
I was disappointed with Psylocke since she was one of my most anticipated characters for this movie. She had kind of a small part. I'm hoping they use her for X-Force and make her more prominent in the future. Besides that I thought it was pretty good and I'm really happy that they redid Wolverines origin after that atrocity that was X-Men Origins: Wolverine. It wasn't the best movie ever but I enjoyed it 7/10.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: Midnightphoenix on June 28, 2016, 09:48PM
I agree with what you said about Psylocke and Angel. I really wish they did more with Angel but it really did only feel like he was there because he is an iconic Horseman. And Psylocke's story didn't really seem to go anywhere, but I hope they bring her back.

I also see what you are saying about Apocalypse, he did seem to show off how incredibly powerful he was at some points and then while fighting the X-Men he didn't seem to put up as much of a fight as he could have. But I'm sure that was only for the reason that they didn't want him to wipe out the X-Men.

And with the destruction I can also agree on that, a lot of the world was destroyed and it didn't seem like many people cared. Though this at least was an end of the world scenario and not just heroes and or villains being stupid and destroying everything in their path. So I am sure everyone in the world is happy to be alive having avoided a possible nuclear attack and Apocalypse all in the same day.

The only one I can kind of look past is the Wolverine killing people. I believe Jean did what she had too. Charles was in trouble, the world was at stake, and several of her teachers/ friends were either captured or in trouble. And for all they know Stryker could have just killed everyone he had captured so I am sure Jean just wanted to help save everyone and attempting to break the others free while not killing anyone probably would have been a challenge. Now if it were the Jean, Cyclops and Kurt from the future I believe they could have handled it without Wolverine killing people (Or at least not killing everyone) but they hadn't ever been in a situation where they needed to fight or use their powers as of yet and were probably pretty terrified. It's kind of like in X2 when Wolverine kills a bunch of Stryker's men that break into the mansion, I believe it was necessary same as how it is handled in Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Thoughts on X-Men Apocalypse?
Post by: BaconWizard17 on July 05, 2016, 01:49PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5S5u60eeNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5S5u60eeNg)

This video shows about how fast Quicksilver is in the movie. The dude estimated his top speed to be 38,595,840 m/s, which is 86,336,435.2183 mph (million!), which is equivalent to about mach 112... THOUSAND!

Just thought I'd share.