Started by Lightning249539, November 26, 2018, 12:21AM
Quote from: Outsider on November 26, 2018, 01:39PMAlthough his solo series is about the time-displaced younger Iceman, as opposed to the original
Quote from: Outsider on November 26, 2018, 01:39PMAlthough his solo series is about the time-displaced younger Iceman, as opposed to the original, I share BaconWizard's sentiments. I don't mind gay characters in comics, but I personally don't think one should change the orientation of a long-time already-established character. Iceman throughout the years was known in the comics as a heavy flirt to women. This is true in the X-Men animated series where Iceman shared his romantic history with Lorna Dane (Polaris). This is also true even in Marvel Ultimate Alliance, where he talks at the Sanctum Santorum about how Black Widow is really hot, or his reactions when he is affected by Spider-Woman's pheromones in the ending track. In fact, he flirted with Magma in the first X-Men Legends game, and Jean Grey told her to keep an eye on him, as he is a "real charmer." Furthermore, the late great Stan Lee said that he created Iceman to be "like the Human Torch, but with ice." (It's written on the back of an Iceman trading card I have somewhere.) So, to change him now seems... I can't find the word for it. Is it possible that he's bisexual and likes both? (If so, then his history still makes sense to some extent.)I think they should have introduced new heroes who just so happen to be gay or change the orientation of a character whose history doesn't contradict all that we've been shown -- like when Rictor, Shatterstar, and Wiccan came out as gay. Unlike with Iceman, those characters' histories don't suggest that they were straight, so it was fine. Having said all that, perhaps Iceman's new solo series will be a good read.
Quote from: jaybird on December 02, 2018, 01:48PMI don't mind iceman getting his own comic, but if they just wanted to tell a story about a gay x-man why not anole. He's an established character who hasn't had the spotlight shined on him in a while. I think that would be neat.
Quote from: Midnightphoenix on December 08, 2018, 04:59PMI personally loved that he came out in the comics. While Bobby was always kind of a "ladies man" in the past, he never really had all that much luck with women in general. So him coming out actually makes a lot of sense in my opinion, not to mention that there is a particular scene with Bobby and his father in a comic from years back that almost seems to foreshadow him being gay. And the relationship he has with his parents seems to fit a lot of real life narratives where you don't feel like your family accepts you fully or that they won't accept you if you are anything different then what they want you to be. So him trying to hide his sexuality for the sake of feeling accepted and also being confused makes a lot of sense.In all honesty it really doesn't change his character at all, he is still the same person and it now gives LGBT people another character to look up too. I always liked Iceman and him coming out makes me like him even more because I feel like he is a character I can relate too even more now.
Quote from: nickjustint on December 08, 2018, 05:21PMI really don't think its a big deal, the only substantial thing people who are against it can offer is 'But he's a ladies man, he flirted with women once!" I don't think people who take this stance have any clue or experience with how people who are deeply closeted can operate. Its very common in real life for someone who is closeted to over compensate by being flirtatious with women.I think out of a lot of male characters it works with Iceman, he has NO significant or iconic romances in the comics and the only one people offered is that he dated Shadowcat at one point, he has no attachments in that regard that are essential parts of his character.It's not like they made Cyclops gay all of a sudden, because I would draw the line at that, as his relationships are a big part of defining his character. Bobby? Not so much.I also hear a talking point from people about how they shouldn't have made an existing character gay and instead made new characters who are gay.But these are the same people who will cry about SJW if Marvel were to introduce a brand new prominent gay character. So which one is it? You can't have it both ways. They won't be able to win with a certain set of people no matter what.Do I think the character was intended to be gay on creation? No. But why would a character even be considered in being created as gay in the 1960s, characters can develop and be added to as times go by, and as the time changes. When Stan Lee heard about the change, he stated that he doesn't care what they do to the character as long as the stories are good. So there you have it, he doesn't care that much and neither should we.At the end of the day there have been a lot of worse character retcons and arcs that have damaged popular characters a lot more that people have accepted but apparently a character coming out as gay is where they draw the line.
Quote from: nickjustint on December 08, 2018, 05:21PMhe has NO significant or iconic romances in the comics and the only one people offered is that he dated Shadowcat at one point, he has no attachments in that regard that are essential parts of his character.
Quote from: Lightning249539 on December 07, 2018, 05:12AMI feel like right now we are having mix feelings about him coming out, however, we will soon accept it and it'll be normal for us in the next few years.