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Started by White Fan, June 22, 2010, 05:53PM

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Quote from: mj fan on June 25, 2010, 03:16PM
Jean Grey because i love her powers and she is nice with others
I dislike  emma    she ruined her relationship with cyclops and she helped to change jean into dark phoenix !!!! 
she  ruined her life

that's not true. that dark phoenix wasn't jean, it was the phoenix force emulating jean. she was underwater at the time. she didn't break scott and jean up either. ever since he merged with apocalypse he was growing more and more distant from her.
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In my opinion Emma didn't help the relationship although she did make it worse for both of them. However she didn't completely break it either. She isn't the only one at fault.

June 26, 2010, 04:54AM #17 Last Edit: June 26, 2010, 04:56AM by mj fan
you 're right nowerman but as marvel fan said  she didn't help the relationship
i think she is selfish but it's my personal opinion ^^

Quote from: mj fan on June 26, 2010, 04:54AM
you 're right nowerman but as marvel fan said  she didn't help the relationship
i think she is selfish but it's my personal opinion ^^
She did hurt it but at the end she wasn't the only one to blame. At least that is what I think.

Quote from: MarvelFan12345 on June 22, 2010, 06:01PM
So many things have happened to her in her life but she kept coming up.

Thats the thing i hate about Jean, she literrly keeps coming up, she's like in real life a super super marvel zombie zombie etc.
(i just have my avi because it looks cool, thinking about changing it) Emma on the other hand is totally freaking bitchy and thanks to that totally freaking amazing XD. I think im gonna vote for Black widow or Ms.Marvel, since Emma doesnt win from these two

I didn't just mean deaths but other things. I mean her lover was married to her clone yet she dealt with that. Dealt with Maddie and Phoenix personalities and memories. She dealt with having a daughter from an alternate future. Its these things I meant besides her continuous deaths.

Still she makes a less enjoyable character that way. You ever saw an X-men flash where two guys where looking for jean? Emma replyed to them ''no im sorry she's not here since she's dead, but come back next month and im sure she's back''. It just gets annoying at a time. Black Widow and Ms M didnt have those ''oh watch me rise from the death and bring chaos to the world'' scenes

Quote from: tymaca321 on June 26, 2010, 02:20PM
Still she makes a less enjoyable character that way. You ever saw an X-men flash where two guys where looking for jean? Emma replyed to them ''no im sorry she's not here since she's dead, but come back next month and im sure she's back''. It just gets annoying at a time. Black Widow and Ms M didnt have those ''oh watch me rise from the death and bring chaos to the world'' scenes
True. I hate her constant deaths and resurrections too but I still love the character. Her great things help me easily overlook her constant returns or departures. Also it isn't as though Jean plans these things. She doesn't enjoy dying and coming back.

Sure, but thats the exact reason i think she's less enjoyable, the writers got careless with Jean,  and her great things also come to an end, emma BW and Miss M also have had some great things :)

Emma Frost cuz she is hot  :emmafrost:

Emma didn't ruin the relationship.She started liking cyclops and cyclops started to like her i guess cause jean was dead (again) and sott got tired of it and probably needed a much more stonger woman

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Quote from: Jeanfan321 on July 14, 2010, 11:17PM
Emma didn't ruin the relationship.She started liking cyclops and cyclops started to like her i guess cause jean was dead (again) and sott got tired of it and probably needed a much more stonger woman

But she had an psychic affair with him. As I said the woman didn't break the relationship but she did do it harm.
And it wasn't that Emma was the stronger woman. It was the opposite. One reason Scott was distancing himself was because Jean was practically god-like with power and he hadn't progressed at all. In fact all of Emma's past flaws made him feel better about himself.
And even when Jean died Scott still loved her to much to move on. Only he left the X-Men and this caused a bad future so Jean had to change it to keep him with the X-Men so she made him pick Emma instead so he would have a reason to come back to the team. At the end even though Scott and Emma are together Jean still won, becasue Scott truly wanted Jean and no one else.

Funny,in most of the comics Cyclops and Emma are together.Plus Cycke needed to move on his wife is either all powerful or dead and im sure he couldn't take it.Scott stilll loves jean but he LOVES LOVES Emma

July 15, 2010, 01:30PM #29 Last Edit: July 15, 2010, 01:33PM by MarvelFan12345
That's because Jean is dead right now in the 616 universe. He can't be kissing her corpse can he? In all other books they are not so I don't understand what you mean at all.

But notice that in media outside of comics they are always together. Tv shows, movies, games. There is a reason for that. They are soulmates that were meant for each other. I have to admit that the main thing that is interesting about the Scott and Emma relationship (in the Astonishing books at least) is that you can tell that they are not meant for each other like Scott and Jean were. While the Scott and Emma couple is interesting even to me, Scott and Jean were always meant for each other and that is even acknowledged right now in comics.

My own belief is that Jean has also made Scott say he was in love with Emma as she was the one to make him pick Emma so he would stay with the X-Men. At the time he said it Emma was creating so much trouble that it was likely they would fall apart so maybe Jean "pushed" Scott to say I love you so he would stay with her and the X-Men. That's my own belief and I don't expect others to follow it though.