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Title: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: cavillac on December 11, 2007, 10:47AM
Being a pretty big comic geek I went into the game with obviously pre-defined favorite Marvel characters and looked forward to playing them just to try them and not be all that impressed.

Top of the list...
Mr. Fantastic - I've seen some people say that certain combos he can do are just hax but I must not know them :P because he just sucks for me :(  (F4 is my favorite book of all time so that hurt)
Luke Cage - I've never really liked this character....I'm just disappointed he made the cut :P
Blade
Spider Woman
Iceman

Given....there may be good strategies for these characters that I just haven't figured out but from limited play with them I was just expecting more.

Your thoughts?  Your list?
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Teancum on December 11, 2007, 11:35AM
Of those I'd basically just agree with Blade and Spider Woman.  Spider Woman just sucks all around and Blade just isn't fun to play as.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: dimster on December 11, 2007, 11:37AM
silver surfer is most disappointed to me, becz they didnt even try to think of 4 different costume for him
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: cavillac on December 11, 2007, 02:02PM
Quote from: dimster on December 11, 2007, 11:37AM
silver surfer is most disappointed to me, becz they didnt even try to think of 4 different costume for him

hahaa...not sure what they could have done there.....

They could have used some of the other Heralds as costumes, I suppose....but their powers really wouldn't have lined up.

I suppose they could have done Norrin Radd as one possible alternate costume but, to my knowledge, they've never even shown glimpses of what his people look like or what they wear so maybe they purposefully avoided that.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on December 11, 2007, 02:21PM
Quote from: cavillac on December 11, 2007, 10:47AM
Top of the list...
Mr. Fantastic - I've seen some people say that certain combos he can do are just hax but I must not know them :P because he just sucks for me :(  (F4 is my favorite book of all time so that hurt)
Luke Cage - I've never really liked this character....I'm just disappointed he made the cut :P
Blade
Spider Woman
Iceman

haha, I really like Mr Fan and Iceman. Here's my set-up for them:

Mr. Fantastic:
- I use the 4th costume (melee damage reflect and focus).
- Max out Fantastic Fists, then Rubberband Recoil, then Elastic Crush
- always have the boost on (if possible), use Elastic Crush for range and Rubberband Recoil when mobbed, use your basic melee attacks when you are almost out of energy

Iceman:
- I use the 3rd (Max EP, Cold Mastery) and 4th costumes (Point Blank, Dmg Reflect).
- max out Polar Explosion then Blizzard, and all the left over skill points in Freeze Beam, and one point in Ice Slide.
- Freeze Beam one enemy. So, this dude will stand still for at least 3 seconds. Blast him with a fully charge a Polar Explosion. Now, enemies nearby the target will be slowed and take the same amount of damage from the explosion. Freeze another taget again, repeat...
- If mobs start to appear, use Blizzard.
- If mobs are too close to you, don't bother with Blizzard, use Polar Explosion. The explosion will affect enemies behind you if your initial target is really close
- If you are taking too much damage, use Ice Slide and run away!!!
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: BliZZ on December 11, 2007, 02:25PM
Luke Cage is epic.

-Max "Jab"
-Max "Drill Bit"
-Max "Street Smarts"

Easily the best tank out of he, Thing, and Colossus.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Gevth on December 11, 2007, 02:42PM
Now, Colossus, he was disappointing. Slow, no really good power, his grab is funny and useful only at the beginning of the game, he's a bruiser_light instead of bruiser, and the official Hulk is basically Colossus done right. The only good thing about him is that thanks to him and Moon Knight this page was created.

Mr. Fantastic is good once Fantastic Fists adds around 75% chance to critical hits to all his attacks. That and Rubberband Recoil allows you to one hit kill like 5 enemies in one attack.

And for Spider-Woman, all she needs is Ensnare and Venom Blast. That, and enemies that aren't "Energy Resistant".
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: cvc on December 12, 2007, 10:05AM
Powerman,Blade,Spiderwoman in that order all second rate heros at best thank some body we can mod those out... :runaway:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on December 22, 2007, 06:12PM
Blade and Colossus.

Blade, just cuz his powers didn't meet my expectations; I'd expected more than a few sword attacks, an extremely short gun attack, and two throwing projectiles, and Colossus as being way too slow, and powers not dealing enough damage.

Luke Cage, although okay, could have been replaced with someone else who is more major to the mainstream community.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Gevth on December 22, 2007, 06:49PM
Luke Cage was one of the few heroes Marvel especifically asked to be in the game, though, according to an interview I read in ign.

On a related note, I got so tired with Colossus being so weak, I decided to make him an extra boost. It's like Hulk's Fury, with better damage and defense bonuses, but taking away the attack speed bonus.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Arclight on December 29, 2007, 09:47AM
The most disappointing characters for me are: Mr. Fantastic, Luke Cage, The Thing, Blade, Elektra - and the most disappointing character was Ghost Rider. Well, he didn't really disappoint me, he just sucks.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on December 29, 2007, 01:28PM
Ghost Rider? You don't like the character in comics or you just don't like his attacks in the game? haha
He's definitely my favorite character in the game if Damnation isn't bugged.... :(
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Arclight on December 29, 2007, 02:41PM
Quote from: iammingy on December 29, 2007, 01:28PM
Ghost Rider? You don't like the character in comics or you just don't like his attacks in the game?

Personally, I don't like him in both the comics and the games. And, just like you, I hate him mostly for Damnation, and the Revive hero, because they are both really bugged - even though revive hero works 25% of the intended time.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on December 30, 2007, 12:39AM
When you max out the stats, there is a 50% chance of successful resurrection.

Vengeance and Penance Stare recovers good health quickly. Ravaging Flame does insanely good damage; when charged deals extra burning damage. Chain Flechette knocks down enemies while others can move in for the kill. All his costumes look comic accurate and have several pretty good bonuses. All in all, I like GR in this game.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: msmarvel2007 on February 21, 2008, 02:50PM
I think Luke Cage took the place of the Hulk in the original game being as they did not have the license for the Hulk at the time. Luke Cage is in many of the spots the Hulk should have been in in the original game. For example: New Fantastic Four, Defenders, etc. (I dont ever remember Luke Cage being in The Defenders) I like to play Blade but hoped that he would have been more powerful like Silver Surfer should be and Spider Woman.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: muafan on February 21, 2008, 02:51PM
elektra i mean her sai move... sucked
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on February 21, 2008, 03:02PM
Quote from: muafan on February 21, 2008, 02:51PM
elektra i mean her sai move... sucked

If you are talking about the sais throw then I agree. Though it has a chance for instant kill, it can miss the enemy easily. You have to aim it really well. However, the other sais attacks, namely Nerve Stike + Sai Stab, makes Elektra pretty powerful.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: TheStorm on February 21, 2008, 03:03PM
I agree Spider-Woman is dissapointing... :spiderwoman:

And I thought Elektra would be a bit better... :elektra:

:storm:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: muafan on February 21, 2008, 03:15PM
ok well  when i first played with her she only knew the throw. i preety much dismissed her after that>>>>i'll reinsert her into my herostat and check it out :)
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: pr1983 on February 21, 2008, 04:00PM
i honestly love colossus... i've had no problems with him at all so far...

mr. fantastic was by far my favourite of the f4, so no complaints about him...

blade was disappointing to me... thing, storm, spider-woman, they were all disappointing imo...
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: dark_raven on February 23, 2008, 12:36PM
For me the character most dissapointing is Blade, but I must say that I don't like Nick Fury, Mr.Fantastic, Ghost Rider and Storm.

Maybe Ghost Rider would be better if he could use his motorbike

And Storm could be better if her powers cause more damage (I'm really dissapointed about the Blitz attack)
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: TheStorm on February 23, 2008, 05:21PM
Storm is one of the best Characters done in the game...And in the X-Men Legends...

At least I think so...

Although I don't like her xtreme....

:storm:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: dark_raven on February 24, 2008, 11:36AM
In the X-Men Legends 1 & 2 I liked her but in this game she dissapointed me a little
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: ratmon on February 24, 2008, 01:17PM
cage, and blade maybe spiderwoman too, but I thought she was o.k i hate how Elektra dies so easy.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: muafan on February 24, 2008, 04:15PM
spider-man. ge only has web powers. i was hoping for a spider-agilty backflip moye or a wall-crawlling move were he jumps and a ceiling and fslss down on enimies. and ....web-bullets there in every game spidey is in., yet give me one issue of amazing, spectiler, ultimate spiderman, or the animated seires or the movies were that appears.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Overload on February 24, 2008, 05:31PM
 Im gonna have to agree with you Muafan...Spiderman was an ok character but ya a wall crawling ability would have been amazing!

A Disapointing character I thought was Cage as well. Everyone seems to agree that he shouldn't even be in the roster.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on February 25, 2008, 01:32AM
I was also disappointed in Spidey's X-treme, Bungee Bash. There could've been a better one. It couldn't even hurt bosses.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: msmarvel2007 on February 25, 2008, 08:45PM
I like Luke Cage but seeing him without Iron Fist in the game also is like seeing Costello without Abbot or Laurel without Hardy. I like Nick Fury and his Furious power. His SMG is not that powerful but his other powers are good.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: pr1983 on February 26, 2008, 10:44AM
Quote from: dark_raven on February 24, 2008, 11:36AM
In the X-Men Legends 1 & 2 I liked her but in this game she dissapointed me a little

exactly. in xml she was my second or third most used character, but in mua... i dunno...

Quote from: muafan on February 24, 2008, 04:15PM
spider-man. ge only has web powers. i was hoping for a spider-agilty backflip moye or a wall-crawlling move were he jumps and a ceiling and fslss down on enimies. and ....web-bullets there in every game spidey is in., yet give me one issue of amazing, spectiler, ultimate spiderman, or the animated seires or the movies were that appears.

spiderman 3 in the sandman fight? :p

i see what you mean... for spidey, i thought he was poor starting off, but did get better as the game went on... his elastic web thing where he'd grab someone and fling em up into the air was good i thought, and his one where he would grab a guy and spin him around as a weapon, i liked that too...

Quote from: Midnight Curse on February 25, 2008, 01:32AM
I was also disappointed in Spidey's X-treme, Bungee Bash. There could've been a better one. It couldn't even hurt bosses.

i actually didnt like alot of the xtremes when it came to bosses... i just tended to use them for crowd control, which they seemed to do quite nicely imo...
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: muafan on February 26, 2008, 02:34PM
Quote from: pr1983 on February 26, 2008, 10:44AM

spiderman 3 in the sandman fight?
how about pre-mua. this pwer was in the spider-man 2 game.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: pr1983 on February 26, 2008, 02:42PM
Quote from: muafan on February 26, 2008, 02:34PM
how about pre-mua. this pwer was in the spider-man 2 game.

you've lost me then... :p
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Kamasalasi on March 05, 2008, 09:52PM
The biggest disappointment I had with Cage was his selection of skins. Early history for the character was rather campy...but his set of skins just makes me cry. I think recent writing for his character has made him a very viable candidate for a MUA line-up. (Which is why I am an advocate for new Cage skins!) But if we look at base MUA...without Iron Fist in the game by default (Extemely happy that a mod for him has been released :) ), I would have to agree that it may have been a poor choice.

Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Rorschach on March 05, 2008, 10:21PM
spiderwoman's pretty bad. Wasn't a huge fan of the human torch either. I mean he looked cool and stuff but I just wanted him to be better than he was. Sigh. Can't win 'em all.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: PackerFan8459 on March 06, 2008, 03:49PM
I think the most dissappointing character in the game would have to be Spider-Man.

I love Spider-Man, he's one of my favorites but I think they made him too weak in this game. I guess I was expecting him to be almost as strong as Luke Cage and The Thing, but he still has some awsome attacks.  Idk that's just what I think.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Rasdel on March 16, 2008, 10:47AM
Ok, for me the most dissapoining chars are:

Silver Sufer - He is suppose to have this "super cosmic power" and thanks to balance... he sucks. I didn't like him in the roster cause he is suppose to be one of the most powerfull chars in marvel, so it was just lame to have him playable being so weak... he is the kind of character that is so powerfull is better to have him as an NPC (like Blackbolt). I probably expected a LOT MORE power for a character like him...

Luke Cage - i don't like the character itself... i think he is lame. Maybe if Iron Fist would have made the cut i think Luke would have been more liked. But honestly i don't really like him at all... there are A LOT of more interesting tanks in marvel like She-Hulk that would have made a better roster. As someone already said... i was dissapointed in him making the cut.

Nick Furry - Lame character... same as above... it would have been better to have other char in the roster. His powers are fine but he feels lame. Don't know... just don't like him...

Chars i learned to respect:

Colossus -He is NOT the best bruisier... but i believe that is because is was NOT made to DO damage... but to take it. I think that if you make Colossus into a TANK (meaning defensively) he is a pretty good character.

Elektra -Let's face it... she is NOT the best character in the game. But i learn to like her since she is one of my girlfriend's favorites... and i must admit... i never saw an Elektra like she plays her. Somehow... my gf can make Elektra usefull!

Spider Woman -Same as above... my gf can make Spider Woman an excelent asset to any team. I learn to respect both chars thanks to her... and it's kind of cool, cause i like both characters, but thought they could have been made better... until i saw her playing them... then i learn it was me that sucked at those two chars XD

Cheers
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: pr1983 on March 16, 2008, 06:53PM
you got yr girl to play mua with you... dang...
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on March 24, 2008, 01:23AM
I agree Blade & Elektra were slight dissapointements. Some characters turned out way beter than i thought they would like Daredevil. I cannot get over how good he is.
I dissagree with the Siderman comment though. Spidey is one of the strongest in the game. Max out the original costume. Use web shield, web warrier and he's unstoppable.

As for Storm, she is easily the BEST character in the game. Only Iron Man & Silver Surfer come close. Blitz and Wirlwind are so effective as well as her whirlwind sheild. Doctor Strange & Human Torch are also very good.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on March 24, 2008, 02:55AM
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 24, 2008, 01:23AM
I dissagree with the Siderman comment though. Spidey is one of the strongest in the game. Max out the original costume. Use web shield, web warrier and he's unstoppable.

His Xtreme sucks. I understand why some basic powers don't work on bosses (like one of Nightcrawler's Bamf attacks), but I don't even see the point having an Xtreme that doesn't work on bosses. Typically, I never have any problem with normal enemies using any character in hard mode. So, I almost never use Xtreme on normal enemies. However, I NEED the Xtreme whenever I am low in health. I am only low in health when facing certain bosses, but Bungee Bash can't do a thing to bosses. It is next to useless. Plus, Web Warrior is bugged; it doesn't cost any energy if the enemy cannot be lifted. This means you can spam Web Warrior on bosses (except Mephisto) without worrying about energy issues, which is just the same as using cheat codes.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: The Punisher on March 24, 2008, 07:49AM
most disappointing characters to me were as following:

Spider Woman
Elektra
Luke Cage
Nick Fury
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Sasquatch on March 24, 2008, 07:56AM
Quote from: iammingy on March 24, 2008, 02:55AM
His Xtreme sucks. I understand why some basic powers don't work on bosses (like one of Nightcrawler's Bamf attacks), but I don't even see the point having an Xtreme that doesn't work on bosses. Typically, I never have any problem with normal enemies using any character in hard mode. So, I almost never use Xtreme on normal enemies. However, I NEED the Xtreme whenever I am low in health. I am only low in health when facing certain bosses, but Bungee Bash can't do a thing to bosses. It is next to useless. Plus, Web Warrior is bugged; it doesn't cost any energy if the enemy cannot be lifted. This means you can spam Web Warrior on bosses (except Mephisto) without worrying about energy issues, which is just the same as using cheat codes.
In this case, a Xtreme that doesn't affect a boss include venom and iceman that only "bond" small enemies at the floor
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on March 24, 2008, 12:38PM
Quote from: Sasquatch on March 24, 2008, 07:56AM
In this case, a Xtreme that doesn't affect a boss include venom and iceman that only "bond" small enemies at the floor

They still deal the damage, but less?

EDIT: Yes, I was right about Venom. Iceman's didn't do a thing. Too bad.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Rasdel on March 24, 2008, 01:37PM
Quoteyou got yr girl to play mua with you... dang...
LOL, yeap... one day she came home and i was playing it... so she was like "What's that game?"... so i gave her the joystick and we played together... now... she's an addict... which is fun, cause i am too XD

IMHO there's nothing like playing offline cooperative games... yeap, i am an old school gamer ^^

QuoteHis Xtreme sucks. I understand why some basic powers don't work on bosses (like one of Nightcrawler's Bamf attacks), but I don't even see the point having an Xtreme that doesn't work on bosses. Typically, I never have any problem with normal enemies using any character in hard mode. So, I almost never use Xtreme on normal enemies. However, I NEED the Xtreme whenever I am low in health. I am only low in health when facing certain bosses, but Bungee Bash can't do a thing to bosses. It is next to useless. Plus, Web Warrior is bugged; it doesn't cost any energy if the enemy cannot be lifted. This means you can spam Web Warrior on bosses (except Mephisto) without worrying about energy issues, which is just the same as using cheat codes.
TOTALLY AGREE... Spiderman is cool and everything but it's kind of boring to use him... plus there are SO many other games out there where he is more "fun" to play with.

Cheers
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Teancum on March 24, 2008, 02:43PM
Been tryin Spider-Woman.  She's downright awful, but I didn't expect much from her, so I guess it's not a big disappointment technically.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on March 24, 2008, 03:27PM
Only the first 2 powers IMO. Her 2 boosts are okay, but they use way too much energy. Her other moves are useless to me. When I play as Spider-woman, I only use the first costume because of the passives.

This is my strategy:
1. Throw out some web balls, walk back, so the enemies will walk into them.
2. When the enemies are stuck in the traps, just blast them with fully charged Venom Blasts or just beat them up with basic melee attacks...
3. Fully charged Venom Blasts can pierce. So, fully charge the move whenever possible. You can hit more than one enemy in one shot usually.

She's an okay character in the game (I used to really really like her), but she can be better. It's really weird that the "Spider-woman" in the game is an amalgam of 3 different characters, where each of them have different powers in comics.

Jessica Drew: Venom Blast-based powers, flight, pheromone secretion, martial arts skills (from Hydra, Tasky, SHIELD)
Julia Carpenter: Psy-webs-based powers, web-swing
Spider Girl: almost all of Spider-man's powers I believe

I guess the Raven people didn't want a Spider-man clone/variant...
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on March 28, 2008, 06:50AM
True Spidey's extreme is useless but he's still a great character. You get that true spidey feel when using him. What do you mean web warrior is bugged? Even if you can't lift the enemy it will STILL cost you ep. Well my version does on the XBox can't say for other versions though. STORM, CAPTAIN AMERICA, SPIDER-MAN & IRON MAN BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD!!!
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on March 28, 2008, 06:54AM
Mind you I never used my extreme. But like in XM2 I was constantly using them. Moves like Jeans 'Phoenix Force' were so effective when dealing with multiple enemies, just convert them and its a piece of cake. Xaviers psychic sgock best move in the game.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Rasdel on March 28, 2008, 07:28AM
QuoteOnly the first 2 powers IMO. Her 2 boosts are okay, but they use way too much energy. Her other moves are useless to me. When I play as Spider-woman, I only use the first costume because of the passives.

This is my strategy:
1. Throw out some web balls, walk back, so the enemies will walk into them.
2. When the enemies are stuck in the traps, just blast them with fully charged Venom Blasts or just beat them up with basic melee attacks...
3. Fully charged Venom Blasts can pierce. So, fully charge the move whenever possible. You can hit more than one enemy in one shot usually.

She's an okay character in the game (I used to really really like her), but she can be better. It's really weird that the "Spider-woman" in the game is an amalgam of 3 different characters, where each of them have different powers in comics.
Exactly... Spider Woman ain't that bad... i mean, she IS NOT a character for soloing. But in a group she is a GREAT support char. Her buffs are good, it's like having Healing Factor for every char, so that ain't bad since you don't depend on the orbs to heal.

Venom Blast is awesome and Traps are good (not great) for mob control. She is a decent character, not perfect in any way, but there are other way lamer in game... she's alright.

Cheers^^
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on March 28, 2008, 10:37AM
Quote from: warmachine300 on March 28, 2008, 06:54AM
Mind you I never used my extreme.

If you think that makes you a better player, more power to you... lol
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on March 29, 2008, 04:43PM
Funny. But really I didn't. I would sometimes use them by mistake and be very annoyed at that. The game was too easy even on Hard which is why i want the next one to be even longer or have a slightly harder difficult setting after hard like MASTER CLASS.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Arkanshel on March 30, 2008, 11:00AM
I'll have to agree on Blade. The guy is totally badass. Heck, even his movie version is badass. But in MUA? A secret character, and a craptastic one. He pretty much screams for a mod remake, because the only passable move he has is Blood Haze.

Then, there's Storm. Let's face it, she has crappy powers. With the Asgard Armor she becomes pretty powerful, but if an item makes or breaks a char so much, you know something's wrong. The only item based character that gets a pass is Deadpool, because it only extends his use, and he's still excellent without Blackheart's Corruption, though a bit bursty.

Hawkeye is pretty good, though it saddens me that the guys at Raven were so lazy so as to use PSP low quality models.

Spiderman is excellent, with Web Warrior, Slingshot, and Web Bullets being The Quintessential Spidey, but he REALLY should be able to do SOMETHING with Bungee Bash. Anybody know of a mod to give him a damaghing Bungee, even if it's something as little as 50% damage 'gainst bosses?

Mr. Fantastic is one that disappoints me, not because he's truly bad, but because he steals a buff that could well be used for an Energy Reroute or Eye of Agamotto. Ghost Rider has a similar problem, but in a much lesser extent, as he can still function without a Penance Stare, while Mr. F simply doesn't work without fantastic fists.

Then, there's minor things, like the Cap having sucky damage with Avenger's shield, but that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on March 31, 2008, 04:27AM
Storm has crappy powers? Your not using her properly then. Wait till you max out the Blitz and Chain lighting. Those moves are excellent and thats without the Asgard Armour. Her whirlwind attack litterally makes it impossible for any enemy to get near her and then theres the whirlwind armour. When maxed out I found I was killing enemies just by walking in to them. Excellent move. Those are her best moves. I found myself playing as Storm when my team was in desperate trouble. She was always the life safer. Definitly the best X-man in the game. Wolverine is okay. I'm not quite sure what to make of Iceman though. Sometimes I like him, sometimes I don't.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Arkanshel on March 31, 2008, 03:08PM
Meh, Iceman has the same problem as spidey, bad super, only that you also have to add problems with energy and a need to take a dorky costume.

Wolvie is probably a better character than Storm, though. While I agree that Storm can be loads better than Wolvie is properly munchkined, ease of use is one big defining factor in deciding if a character is good, which Storm certainly lacks. It's like the fighter dilemma in D&D: A fighter can be by FAR the most powerful meleer if you make him a one trick pony, but getting the build that makes you so powerful pretty much requires having someone guide you through the optimization, else, they're below average.

And Cyclops and Nightcrawler are definetely the best X-Men.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on March 31, 2008, 05:51PM
How is Storm not easy to use? I don't understand what you mean. I love Nightcrwaler but Cyclops, I'll have to disagree with. Cyclops has NO defense whatsoever. He takes damage BIG time I can't see why you would think he's the best. Wolverinre is definitly the coolest but the fact that he's melee only can be a bit tricky. Yeah he gives heavy damage but he also take it too if costumes ain't maxed out right. He's like Captan America but Cap is slightly better in my opinion. Storm like Iron Man has the best spread of moves, great melee and great ranged fighter. Plus she can FLY! I think I'mma give Iceman another go, he might actually suprise me.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Rasdel on March 31, 2008, 07:45PM
The problem with Wolvie is that he is a one trick pony... but he's definitly the best at what he does ^^

Deadpool is a character that really surprise me... i mean, i thhought he was cool even before playing him... but i never thought he was going to be so usefull in the game... i thought that since he is a "secondary" char in Marvel he would end up a crappy char... thanks god i was mistaken. His Extreme is probably the best looking one for sure.

Cheers^^
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: khalan9 on April 02, 2008, 02:45PM
i think cyclops is one of the better chars in the game, if you know how to use him. when i play as him (and i usually do) i keep him at the back of the pack, he has great damage output, but yes he would be better if he could take alittle more damge.

I also agree with Rasdel i thought that deadpoll would be like the XML2 version. but he is one of my best chars in the game. i am just mad that they did not give him his butterfly kick from XML2. but his xtreme is WAY better in MUA than XML2
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: warmachine300 on April 02, 2008, 05:48PM
Yeah Deadpool turned out to be a pleasant suprise and so did Daredevil. Great characters they are.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Arkanshel on April 03, 2008, 03:42PM
Agreed there. When I'm not playing with Mod characters, Deadpool is always on. He's one of the most damaging chars in the game, especially if you give him an energy reroute or Blackheart's corruption. It's insane then, 'cause dual shot is broken.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on April 03, 2008, 07:32PM
Not to mention Merc's Revenge as compared to XML2's Nitrogen Blast.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Arkanshel on April 04, 2008, 03:11PM
What, it was THAT bad?
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on April 04, 2008, 07:10PM
In XML2, if you want to freeze enemies, use Iceman. NOT Deadpool's Nitrogen Blast. It deals pathetic damage, and takes too long to execute. Merc's Revenge takes a long time too, but it has eye candy and raw power to go along with it. Nitrogen Blast does not. Yes it is that bad.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: khalan9 on April 05, 2008, 05:15AM
if you ask me his granade attack looks alot like nitrogen blast form XML2
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on April 06, 2008, 03:14AM
It is. Grenade Toss is the fast version of Nitrogen Blast.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Scabbia on April 24, 2008, 09:16AM
I was actually very disappointed with Iceman, I think they could have done better with him. I was also upset with Mr. Fantastic, everytime I play his comic mission, I get bored and aggitated, I just think his powers aren't as good as they Should be. I don't care for Mr. Fantastic at all, but I know they could have done better with him.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Sublev on May 19, 2008, 08:03PM
My list is kinda large, so here it goes.

Blade really really sucks. He's a very cool comic character, and hell, Wesley Snipes made him flesh and bone in the movies. But he has no real good attacks, and the only way he worked as a passable character was using Blood of The Warrior and mashing the attack button away. Crap.

Spider-Woman is okay, unless you face energy resistant enemies, then she is useless. Honestly, I don't like characters that are completely lame on certain circunstances. Besides, I wasn't a great fan of her either.

Storm is another okay character. I use her just because I like X-Men. Back on XML1, the game gets quite challenging if you leave Storm and Jean Grey on the bench. Storm's Lightning Strike then struck multiple enemies, for huge damage, and stunned them for a little while when they get shocked. But now, she is just another playable character.

The same goes for Colossus. Hell, on XML1 I took around 3k dmg on the Master Mold using his first power, at maximum, with a critical hit. Then on XML2, he was crap. He is less crappier on MUA, serving some purpose, but still he is rather weak compared to the comics.

I'm not a big fan of Cage either. Though he is good at mobbing with Drill Bit, I don't like the looks of him and he doesn't fit the vibe of the game. Many other more classical and liked characters could've joined, like Iron Fist.

Also, the Human Torch looks older than Mr. Fantastic. A LOT older. I don't like the FF4 much, except for the Thing.

Deadpool also seemed like another button masher to me, though he is an exceptionally fun character to play with because of the dialogs.

I think The Punisher should've make it to the game cast. He could sub in say, Nick Fury. Or Blade, since he sucks bad.

The other characters are fun to play with, though some are extremely powerful. Iron Man is my main boss killer. Plasma Disc is really really cheap. Does huge damage and kills bossess very easily. Thor's Hammer Toss is a very cheap crowd control. So is Polar Explosion from Iceman. Guess they needed to focus more on balance, and place the Silver Surfer as an unbalaced, overpowered character, just for gaming leisure. Ah well, go figure.

Peace y'all.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Teancum on May 20, 2008, 05:51AM
QuoteAlso, the Human Torch looks older than Mr. Fantastic. A LOT older.

You can load the PS2 models of the Human Torch and he looks much younger.  For some reason a few of the characters look totally different between the last gen (PS2/Xbox/Wii) and next-gen (PC/PS3/360) versions of the game.  (Yes, I know the Wii isn't last gen, but it was built using those assets)
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Larcetin on May 20, 2008, 11:01AM
Quote from: RogueDW331 on April 24, 2008, 09:16AM
I was also upset with Mr. Fantastic, everytime I play his comic mission, I get bored and aggitated, I just think his powers aren't as good as they Should be. I don't care for Mr. Fantastic at all, but I know they could have done better with him.
Yeah, i was a bit disappointed with him too. He could have cooler moves, for example a special double-jump move.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: menneb on May 25, 2008, 05:31PM
Spider-Woman
Luke Cage
Black Widow
Ronin
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on May 25, 2008, 06:40PM
Why? Black Widow is pretty effective. Knife Bomb and Controlled Burst, along with the Red Dawn boost...
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: menneb on May 25, 2008, 11:54PM
Hey! Maybe I just don't like her? Therefore in my eyes, nay in my opinion, she is disappointing to me.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on May 26, 2008, 04:02AM
Seems everyone hates Blade, Luke Cage, Colossus, and Spider-Woman...
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: havok83 on May 26, 2008, 04:21PM
Elektra. She was absolutely horrible and useless
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: the amazing spiderman on May 26, 2008, 09:56PM
:sigh:.....im sad to admit it but im disapointed with spider-man...almost all his powers are lame and hes not that strong and whenever i use his extreme it doesn't work, i hit no body!!!!but for some reason hes always on my team, lol :p. Oh, and im thinking about switching out invisible woman for storm on my roster. I know ill lose 50 rep points though which is why im asking. Should i switch out now or wait until next rep lvl up??
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on May 27, 2008, 04:10AM
and Elektra.

I'd recommend you keep Invisible Woman. Telekinesis is an invaluable technique, and her shielding and invisibility are what sustains her health. Plus, she has a rapidtap Kinetic Bolts ability, and crowd control with Kinetic Surge.

Spidey's Xtreme only hangs regular enemies (not big ones) upside down on a web. I agree it is the crappiest and most disappointing Xtreme for the biggest icon in Marvel Comics.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: the amazing spiderman on May 27, 2008, 03:38PM
i think i didnt exactly say what i meant. I have storm on my team and instead i want invisible woman. Should i wait or switch her out now???
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Slavic Knight on May 28, 2008, 10:07AM
The most disappointing character, hands down, is Silver Surfer. You go through ridiculous amounts of trouble to get him (unless you cheat), and he doesn't have the Power Cosmic by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, he probably doesn't even have the Power Mundane. I mean, he's got a surfboard, but that was a given.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Teancum on May 28, 2008, 10:19AM
He had to be balanced with the other characters.  It's like Hulk -- he's far underpowered to be 'real', but he doesn't create a huge advantage in-game.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Slavic Knight on May 28, 2008, 01:23PM
I know that, I'm a huge fan of playability over realism, it's just that Silver Surfer is a secret character that you have to beat everything to unlock, and once you got 'em, he's actually less useful than almost everyone.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on May 29, 2008, 02:58AM
Same as goes to Juggernaut in XML2, IMO. He's far too underpowered there.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: becoming_myself on May 29, 2008, 01:11PM
I don't like Blade, Daredevil and Ghost Rider in this game. But the real one who dissapoints me is Elektra, because she has attacks which are sometimes useless. I think she should have better attacks
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Teancum on May 29, 2008, 03:26PM
Daredevil and Ghost Rider rock hard.  You just gotta know how to use em.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on May 29, 2008, 04:53PM
GR pwns hard with Ravaging Flame, Damnation, and Fiendish Chains.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: becoming_myself on May 30, 2008, 03:20AM
But without the motorbike isn't the same, they should have put the motorbike like the table from Silver Surfer or something like that
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Dark_Mark on May 30, 2008, 07:49AM
Quote from: becoming_myself on May 30, 2008, 03:20AM
But without the motorbike isn't the same, they should have put the motorbike like the table from Silver Surfer or something like that
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Teancum on May 30, 2008, 08:16AM
Face the facts though, it would look ridiculously stupid to have the hell cycle in those little levels.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Slavic Knight on May 30, 2008, 11:54AM
Yeah, it really would. Only place I could see it coming in is as a finisher (and that would mean no Vengeance).
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: jonchang on May 31, 2008, 02:47AM
You mean as an Xtreme? Finisher sounds more like Marvel Nemesis.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: the amazing spiderman on June 01, 2008, 12:56PM
YAY, i loved marvel nemesis!!! Is it for the computer??
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on June 01, 2008, 01:50PM
No, it wasn't. Too bad. :(
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: the amazing spiderman on June 01, 2008, 08:24PM
:(
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on June 01, 2008, 09:08PM
Quote from: Slavic Knight on May 30, 2008, 11:54AM
Yeah, it really would. Only place I could see it coming in is as a finisher (and that would mean no Vengeance).

Ok, that just reminds me about the mod for MUGEN. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GB1bk5bUDU
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: cvc on June 01, 2008, 09:20PM
HAHAHAHA Poor NightWing thats a hell of a roadrash I got a kick out of that.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: iammingy on June 01, 2008, 09:26PM
Quote from: cvc on June 01, 2008, 09:20PM
HAHAHAHA Poor NightWing thats a hell of a roadrash I got a kick out of that.

Yeah, having Ghost Rider riding his bike in general might not be that interesting, but it would be really(!) cool if anyone can make an Xtreme like that for Ghost Rider in MUA!!! Hopefully, we can see something like this in MUA2...hehe
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: muafan on June 06, 2008, 09:42AM
Quote from: Teancum on May 29, 2008, 03:26PM
Daredevil and Ghost Rider rock hard.  You just gotta know how to use em.
i love to play as DD!


all of his moves can break thru sheilds.......
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Lightning249539 on January 04, 2013, 08:51PM
They could have done better than Invisible Woman powers. :storm:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Lightwave on January 23, 2013, 01:32PM
Luke Cage was hired by Mr. Fan to substitute for the Thing when he lost his powers back in the 70's.
Cage teamed up with the Defenders to fight the Wrecking Crew back then as well. That probably why they gave them dialogue.
And back when they were making the game, there was a lot of talk about a Luke Cage movie. I guess they felt that it would boost sales.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Lightning249539 on January 23, 2013, 06:54PM
I think that Ghost Rider was disappointing because they could of add better powers and Storm they they could have made her powerful. :storm:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Outsider on January 28, 2013, 06:04AM
 :blade: is one of my favorite Marvel characters, which is why I was disappointed by his moveset. For a half-vampire who fights dark villains alongside Ghost Rider, and uses guns with ultraviolet radiation to burn vampires to a crisp, I just thought he should have been more powerful.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 06:11AM
Quote from: Lightning249539 on January 23, 2013, 06:54PM
I think that Ghost Rider was disappointing because they could of add better powers and Storm they they could have made her powerful. :storm:

MUA Lovers booster for storm is hot. At level hard she has a move that clears out the whole room and stomps out bosses like mash on potatoes.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Zuzu_009 on January 28, 2013, 07:38AM
Quote from: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 06:11AM
MUA Lovers booster for storm is hot. At level hard she has a move that clears out the whole room and stomps out bosses like mash on potatoes.

I am a fan of MUALover's boosters :D And I have all boosters installed on their respective characters. I rarely use Invisible Woman before until MUALover made an awesome booster  :wiggle:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 07:41AM
Agreed i love his boosters, although i think they have the "4th slot" problem where the character on the last slot doesnt function properly...i however fixed this problem because i refuse to give up the boosters...I only play three man teams lol
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: MUALover on January 28, 2013, 08:45AM
So sorry for going off-topic lol, but..

Quote from: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 06:11AM
MUA Lovers booster for storm is hot. At level hard she has a move that clears out the whole room and stomps out bosses like mash on potatoes.
Quote from: Zuzu_009 on January 28, 2013, 07:38AM
I am a fan of MUALover's boosters :D And I have all boosters installed on their respective characters. I rarely use Invisible Woman before until MUALover made an awesome booster  :wiggle:

Thank you, my friends. Your comments makes me cry, and wanted to make more boosters :)

Quote from: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 07:41AM
Agreed i love his boosters

Thank you :)

Quote from: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 07:41AM
although i think they have the "4th slot" problem where the character on the last slot doesnt function properly...i however fixed this problem because i refuse to give up the boosters...I only play three man teams lol

I analyzed the problem that the 6th and 7th power on any of my booster (any characters) that caused the problem. I should analyze this further.. ;)

Get back on the topic :

My list so far :
- Blade
- Black Panther
- Daredevil
- Elektra
- Ronin
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: Zuzu_009 on January 28, 2013, 11:37PM
Quote from: RoMunroe on January 28, 2013, 07:41AM
Agreed i love his boosters, although i think they have the "4th slot" problem where the character on the last slot doesnt function properly...i however fixed this problem because i refuse to give up the boosters...I only play three man teams lol

This usually happens to me whenever I'm in the 2nd checkpoint in Heli as well as 2nd and 3rd checkpoint in Omega. Whenever this happens, I'd just go for a 3-man team just like what you did :D

Quote from: MUALover on January 28, 2013, 08:45AM
So sorry for going off-topic lol, but..

Thank you, my friends. Your comments makes me cry, and wanted to make more boosters :)


I analyzed the problem that the 6th and 7th power on any of my booster (any characters) that caused the problem. I should analyze this further.. ;)

Get back on the topic :

My list so far :
- Blade
- Black Panther
- Daredevil
- Elektra
- Ronin

I do hope to see more from you :D

And yes, back to the topic... Black Panther's moveset is quite dissapointing in a way because -- I dunno. It's just that it doesn't fit him well :| Thanks to a booster made by Broly, I think he's more faster and deadlier  :runaway:
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: EpicNinja on February 19, 2013, 08:51PM
Ironman.... I could never find a good reason to use him. Yeah Energy Reroute is great but I only use powers when I need to. I focus more on Melee combos mixed with the powers to deal the most damage possible while gaining Xtreme meter.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: M@pple on May 19, 2013, 06:44AM
Blade and Elektra, those are the only two i never, ever use, bad experiences playing as them and they have too much trouble staying alive.

Doesnt help that i dont care about Elektra and i dont like blade, they shoulda picked Morbius, i guess he would be way more fun to play.

About Luke Cage, i dont have anything against him, good char all around, the only problem with him is the fact that he was conceived as a blaxploitation hero,  you end up with a feeling that they simply  wanted him the game so we would have a big bald badass black dude to play as.
Title: Re: Most Disappointing character(s)
Post by: carbonated.man on June 08, 2013, 10:45AM
I've got XML1 and 2 on my original X-Box, as well as 2 copies of MUA, The 360 Gold Edition and I picked up the pc version because I wanted to try my hand at modding it a bit.
Keeping that all in mind I'd have to say that the most disappointing ones for me are Nightcrawler and Colossus.

I really miss  :nightcrawler:'s original Teleport Flurry that didn't put a one hit cap on targets, especially considering his new power that hits a single opponent multiple times won't even work on LTs and bosses. Other than that I've got no probs with him, and he's usually in the 1st slot on almost every team I create.


:colossus: because regardless of where I put his stat points he just can't seem to take (and shrug off) the same amount of punishment that he was capable of in the earlier game.
That coupled with my disappointment over the fact that he can no longer clap his hands once or twice and clear out an entire room. Yeah it may have been a heavily over-powered in XML1, but considering how much fun it was I didn't care. It just made me laugh watching everything go flying away to their doom whenever I used it. I still include him on probably about half of my teams in MUA, but it just seems to me that Colossus in MUA is the watered-down "lite" version of the previous Colossus incarnations. *shrug*


Aside from those two...

Thing (He just can't seem to take a hit in MUA. Probably the squishiest "tank" I've ever seen, which I find extremely surprizing since he's supposed to be one of the hardiest characters in the mainstream Marvel continuity.)

Electra (Never really liked her anyhow so her inclusion in this game just makes me go "Eh".)

Mr. Fantastic (He's just really boring to me in this game. Dunno why.)

Black Panther (Eh.)

Blade (Eh.)