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Though I really do not want to get into this too much, there are like 200000000000000000000000000 movies/games/media/whatever that thrash the female gender as a whole, so perhaps a few jokes about men won't be that misplaced.

Looking forward to the series and seeing some kick ass ladies again :)
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I really like the idea of them having just a team of women! I always thought the female superheroes were more powerful than males in my opinion. :storm:

Quote from: Polygone on February 08, 2015, 07:01AM
Though I really do not want to get into this too much, there are like 200000000000000000000000000 movies/games/media/whatever that thrash the female gender as a whole, so perhaps a few jokes about men won't be that misplaced.

Looking forward to the series and seeing some kick ass ladies again :)

Agreed, I had to keep my mouth shut.

I'm ready for the female super heroes to get some actions and light shown on them, they deserve it.


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This is just my two cents, to me there is a huge difference between "we're awesome" and "we're awesome because men are incompetent chauvinistic pigs." I think it would be out of character and a disservice to these characters and their fans and a waste of this comic's potential to turn a diverse cast of strong characters into a group of flat stereotypes.

Quote from: Techon 7 on February 08, 2015, 06:52PM
This is just my two cents, to me there is a huge difference between "we're awesome" and "we're awesome because men are incompetent chauvinistic pigs." I think it would be out of character and a disservice to these characters and their fans and a waste of this comic's potential to turn a diverse cast of strong characters into a group of flat stereotypes.

I agree with you, I don't think they need to bash the male gender. But I don't think a few jokes will harm anyone.


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Quote from: Techon 7 on February 08, 2015, 06:52PM
This is just my two cents, to me there is a huge difference between "we're awesome" and "we're awesome because men are incompetent chauvinistic pigs." I think it would be out of character and a disservice to these characters and their fans and a waste of this comic's potential to turn a diverse cast of strong characters into a group of flat stereotypes.

I agree -- that's all I was saying. They are awesome without all that. But hey, my bad, fellas. Didn't mean to turn it into a discussion of this sort. As I've said, A-Force should be a good series. I definitely like She-Hulk and Dazzler, and it's nice to see Nico Minoru in the spotlight.


Discussion is good. The issue of gender risks being stifled and becoming one-sided if both sides aren't allowed a say.

I have a few issues with the female Avengers but that's just part of my disagreement with the current wave of, what I call, Tumblr Feminism. Namely that it's gone beyond equality between the genders (which it really should be) to simply being discrimination against men because of a genetic dice roll and history.

Some other issues I have:

-It's inventing an issue. If there weren't already mixed gender teams then it'd have a place. There could do with being more women on teams in general, but I'm struggling to think of any teams that are specifically and discriminatingly male-only.
-Completely different characters with different ideologies are just being thrown together because they're female. The team and its members are all defined by their gender and not who they are.
-From the artwork accompanying the announcement, nearly every character is depicted with emphasis on their breasts; the characters "flying" with arms outstretched, She-Hulk, Medusa and Singularity are standing tall with emphasis on their breasts. Every character has the exact same body shape. The outliers, specifically those who aren't wearing catsuits are pushed out to the extremities and concealed in some way. Notice how Big Bertha isn't included?
-It's also about the villains. The villains should be female too. If it's "the patriarchy" then it'll just scream Tumblr.

It's done some things right - the characters are all highly popular, the writer is female, and they're including racial and sexual minorities too... But the artist is male. The art is the main draw of a comic and that means the target demographic is the male gender. At least it's not Greg Land with his pornstars.
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Good point. It's not that I don't trust a male artist to draw for the series, but if the announcement art is anything to go by... If you're gonna make a series that dismisses the regular 'damsel in distress' cliché then the art should've been more 'equal' as well (that sounds vague, hope it made sense though)

Tumblr feminism is definitely a little too much sometimes, but some of them have really good points. You just gotta stay openminded, I usually see something where I'm like 'yeah, you have a point. That's not the way to bring it, but you do have a point.'

As for the ideologies, well dihan, you do have a point :P. But I'm guessing (and hoping) that the team roster will be explained once the series launches. To quote the article
"We've purposefully assembled a team composed of different characters from disparate parts of the Marvel U, with very different power sets, identities and ideologies."
Meaning the writers do know that these aren't characters that usually team up.

I'm hoping for a diverse cast of villains as well. Nothing against throwing in a few male villains, but MARVEL has some great villainesses as well.

I get what you're saying about the teams by the way. But do keep in mind that in most comic book assembled teams, men pretty much take charge. (Wolverine being the mascot for the X-men, Cap and Iron man being mascots for the Avengers) etc.
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:O Frozen 2 has been announced! :D Really happy and excited now. :D :D :D

Quote from: White Queen on March 13, 2015, 01:53PM
:O Frozen 2 has been announced! :D Really happy and excited now. :D :D :D
Another special season after events of Frozen 2 maybe?? :storm:

Quote from: Lightning249539 on March 13, 2015, 08:47PM
Another special season after events of Frozen 2 maybe?? :storm:

Are you referring to Once Upon a Time?


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Quote from: White Queen on March 13, 2015, 01:53PM
:O Frozen 2 has been announced! :D Really happy and excited now. :D :D :D

That doesn't surprise me at all. The first one was such a huge hit, and my little niece to this day still sings the song "Let It Go." It's adorable! Frozen is her favorite alongside The Princess And The Frog.